#WeLDNs - Tuesday 4th October 2016 8:30pm (GMT Standard Time) Working with the whole person - behaviours that challenge

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This 2014 BBC report refers to the death ofStephanie Bincliffe.   Stephanie had autism, and she died in an Assessment and Treatment Unit (ATU) in 2013 from heart problems and sleep apnoea related to obesity (she was 10 st over weight).  

She had been detained since the age of 18 after ‘attacking a boy in a supermarket’ and according to the inquest there were no plans in place to address her weight gain and self harm.  She lived an unhealthy and unfulfilled life, remaining in a padded room for much of the time.  Her family claim that she did not leave the room for the last two years of her life, using a bedpan and washing herself with wet wipes.

The service spokeswoman said: “The issue for the clinical staff was that if food served was not what she liked and as she liked it, that could trigger a distress reaction and severe self-mutilation that in itself could be life-threatening. There needed to be a balance between the benefits of intervention and the considerable risks.”

After her death, Jennifer, Stephanie's sister said ‘Stephanie was a unique individual who was a teacher in disguise to those who listened.  I feel there are no words to begin to describe her loss to me: however I feel this was her final lesson to us all.

Mencap,The Challenging Behaviour Foundation and various other stakeholders statement branded the Coroners narrative verdict weak and requested an independent inquiry, which never came. 

Questions relating to the physical health of those residing in ATU's and secure services remain and in the run up to the second #7daysofaction we are pleased to welcome new host @paulahopes1 to the fray to explore the health inequalities that people with behaviours that challenge experience, and look at what can be learnt from this distressing case.





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#homesnothospitals #weldnurses & Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

I'm not sure how long I had been a member of Twitter when @weldnurses first suggested that I host a Twitterchat.  I said that sounds like a great idea and didn't go back on Twitter for about six weeks. 

I was scared at this suggestion, I didn't really understand how much support would be available (lots), or how to find out more information about hosting a Twitterchat, you can find out more here http://wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/host-a-chat.  A part of me thought why would people be interested in my thoughts on these topics, classic imposter syndrome http://www.emergingrnleader.com/imposter-syndrome-in-nursing-leadership/

Previously I had used Twitter as a resource, a way to find out the most up-to-date information hearing from experts in areas of interest and keeping up with the news (as well as what was happening in Brad Pitt's life…. Sad, I know!).  

After writing a couple of blogs for learning disability elf http://www.nationalelfservice.net/ I was gaining confidence with how to use social media and online resources and in the summer this year I started to really understand how I could use Twitter to engage with a range of professionals, carers, service users , family members and student nurses.  I used twitter to follow the #IASSIDD16 conference, making new connections, sharing resources and engaging in discussion with service users and some of the most high-profile professionals in our field. 

When @weldnurses approached me for a second time, sending me a private message and suggesting that I might want to write a blog with some links to the resources to support me, I thought why not? I told colleagues at work @teesunisohsc and in practice about it.  I discussed it with the SoMe group and the influential advocates of #SoMe in our school @jyaldren and @DrmarjWilson.  One of my colleagues accidentally sent the link around the school, which raised the profile further and on Tuesday I mentioned it to a whole cohort of second year students, during the start of our promoting positive outcomes module, making the links there and inviting them to get involved.

On the night of the event I started to feel nervous, I had prepared the information in advance and @weldnurses and other followers had regularly shared it in the build up to the chat, but as I was sitting in my living room with a strong cup of coffee, the laptop open, the iPad next to me and my iphone, I was thinking what if nobody engages with this, what if I'm just asking questions to the Twittersphere and @weldnurses are just retweeting them? 

I sent a couple of messages to colleagues, friend’s, students and asked them if they were going to get involved and thankfully some of them did! It felt great to see people so interested in this issue, giving up their own time to share ideas and experiences.

The Context:

Stephanie Bincliff’s death which occurred in an assessment and treatment unit felt so important to me when I read about it in 2014.  This was a very young woman who should not have died, she should have had a quality of life that we all are entitled to.  The comments I read from her family about what a unique individual she was and her ability to teach other people resonated with me, I will never forget interviewing a student nurse who said ‘I just absolutely love working with unique individuals’.  The role of the community learning disability nurse essential to enhance skills,choice, independence and inclusion, so it was an obvious choice as a learning disability nurse to share the story through @weldnurses.

The chat started with some introductions, reminders of Twitter etiquette http://wecommunities.org/blogs/15  professionalism and # to keep people focused and involved.  The @weldnurses team aka the twitter police we right at hand to make sure that this was reinforced.

Labelling and Health Inequalities

The first question about being labelled as challenging leading to health inequalities led to a number of discussions about what having a label means,why we need labels, are they useful? Are they damaging? Some discussion about why 'challenging' needed to be explored in terms of inequalities.  We agreed that things have moved on with suggestions about simplicity and changing language.  We recognised that a change of behaviour isn't described in the same way as previously, although still much to do for us as a profession in collaboration with stakeholders regarding these barriers.   

Some discussion that labels can lead to staff being scared of individuals, prejudicial practices and reducing individualised activities.  I was also asked to define what I meant by inequality, and there was a suggestion about separating the concept of care and treatment and examine the inequalities separately, perhaps this is a future Twitterchat @DrMariusAdamou.  Keeping up with all the tweets was an experience! 

It would have been great to have seen some family or service user discussion around this.  Overall the agreement was we need to be mindful of the language we use and the understanding that people get from that language.  Great point from @timspurs ensuring we don't just hear the language and forget the person. Overall I think change in the way that we talk about people is so important, but we have to find ways to include those very people in the discussion. 

An intervention can only be as goodas the people implementing it:

We discussed the coroners view that even if interventions had been in place they would not have been implemented effectively.  There were different interpretations of what this meant, some wondered if this was about the coroners view of Stephanie as a lady with a learning disability.  While others thought about and intervention only being as good as the people who are implementing it.  This obviously then led on to discussion about skills,training needs etc.  Safewards were brought up by @communityld and I think we have another Twitterchat in the making, I can't wait to hear more Glen!

The role of the LD nurse: this was highlighted repeatedly in the further discussion on how we can stop this happening again and how positive behaviour support might have been used.  Overall a sense that people saw a problem with Stephanie and her challenging behaviour are with you as a reason not to intervene, no skills teaching, lack of quality of life, containment and neglectful practice.

Suggestionsfrom participants included: 

  • Education and awareness for all staff working with people with learning disabilities
  • Increased training and opportunities for support staff
  • Greater responsibility within clinical commissioning
  • Recognising the staff’s needs, not just from a training perspective from an individualised perspective
  • Measuring the impact of training on practice
  • Involved in people with learning disabilities in the delivery of training
  • Commissioning learning disability nurses to provide education to service providers
  • Integrating health and social care further

One suggestion regarding positive behaviour support training led to further discussion in terms of accreditation and service providers who say they deliver certain specialist input and fail to deliver on this.  As highlighted by@samabdulla a specialist service for people with Autism should be able to evidence what makes them 'specialist'.

There wasn't a lot of time to discuss the role of positive behaviour support in this situation, however on Monday, 10th October follow #pbsconf16 for more discussion on this.

The hour flew by! From a personal perspective, it was fantastic to see that some of our students got involved from other fields of practice and one LD student @KirstyTaylor193 will be writing a follow up blog from the discussion that we had.  There was a nurse talking about re-familiarising herself with learning disability practice @nurse2coach.  I also saw a student saying that she'd started to love Twitter based on the Twitterchat,something that she previously only used for socialising.  I have had positive feedback from colleagues around the school who I didn't see engage in the chat but may have been 'lurking' http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/10-lessons-twitter-newbies/451563 and keeping up with how the discussion went in the background, which is great!

While it would be great to have the opportunity to do it again, I'd also love to see some of our students and my colleagues taking the opportunity for this.  As learning disability nurses we have fantastic resources with a wealth of knowledge and clearly many people want to engage in these discussions and are motivated to do this in their own time while also nurturing others to dip their toes in twitterland.


Thanks to @paulahopes1 for hosting this chat and bringing Stephanie Bincliff's case to a wider audience. It's great to hear her person journey, from being invited to, grasping the nettle and now reading the outcome. It's an inspiring read and she has certainly posed questions for future chat subjects and hosts. I'm sorry to say that we are unable to bring the pictures that she peppered this interpretative blog with, however this does prompt a couple of questions to ask @wegizmos!

@dmarsden49





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 #WeLDNs transcript

 
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:30
Evening all! Welcome to the first of three #homesnothospital chats in October with @PaulaHopes1 Everyone is welcome! #weldns
@DrMariosAdamou
04 October 2016 20:30
Hello #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:30
RT @WeLDnurses: Evening all! Welcome to the first of three #homesnothospital chats in October with @PaulaHopes1 Everyone is welcome! #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:31
Please say hello and say where you are from! #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:31
RT @WeLDnurses: Please say hello and say where you are from! #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:31
Hi all @weldns thanks for joining in for my first twitterchat tonight, good evening! #weldns
@dmarsden49
04 October 2016 20:31
Evening all from Rochester #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:32
@WeLDnurses hi, Ross here from Northumberland #waves #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:32
RT @WeLDnurses: Please say hello and say where you are from! #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:32
@WeLDnurses hello! Amy here from Chester #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:32
@DrMariosAdamou Evening! #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:32
RT @PaulaHopes1: Hi all @weldns thanks for joining in for my first twitterchat tonight, good evening! #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:32
RT @dmarsden49: Evening all from Rochester #weldns
@kirstytaylor193
04 October 2016 20:32
Hello - 3rd year LD Nurse :) @TeesUniSOHSC #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:32
RT @ross_6479: @WeLDnurses hi, Ross here from Northumberland #waves #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:32
RT @PaulaHopes1: Hi all @weldns thanks for joining in for my first twitterchat tonight, good evening! #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:33
RT @WeLDnurses: Evening all! Welcome to the first of three #homesnothospital chats in October with @PaulaHopes1 Everyone is welcome! #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:33
RT @AmyWixey: @WeLDnurses hello! Amy here from Chester #WeLDNs
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:33
RT @WeLDnurses: @DrMariosAdamou Evening! #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:33
I can already see some of our students and my colleagues have joined but would be good to know who else is about? #weldns @WeLDnurses
@PolhillD
04 October 2016 20:33
#weldns Evening from Shropshire!
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:33
We don't want to hashtag police around tonight, so please use #weldns in each tweet. If you have some evidence to share also use #ebp
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:34
RT @WeLDnurses: We don't want to hashtag police around tonight, so please use #weldns in each tweet. If you have some evidence to share als…
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:34
Evening all! #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:34
@AimeeWakenshaw #weldns @WeLDnurses ooh how lovely - hope you are enjoying some ??
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:34
RT @PaulaHopes1: I can already see some of our students and my colleagues have joined but would be good to know who else is about? #weldns…
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:34
RT @WeLDnurses: We don't want to hashtag police around tonight, so please use #weldns in each tweet. If you have some evidence to share als…
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:35
RT @TheSquibQueen: Hello - 3rd year LD Nurse :) @TeesUniSOHSC #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:35
RT @PolhillD: #weldns Evening from Shropshire!
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:35
Tonight we are lucky to have @paulahopes1 hosting tonights #weldns chat. details are available at https://t.co/7VZDjLU4xr
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:35
RT @samabdulla: Evening all! #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:35
RT @WeLDnurses: Tonight we are lucky to have @paulahopes1 hosting tonights #weldns chat. details are available at http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/2859
@nufcaimee
04 October 2016 20:35
RT @WeLDnurses: We don't want to hashtag police around tonight, so please use #weldns in each tweet. If you have some evidence to share als…
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:35
#WeLDNs the first thing I wanted to ask was do you think that being described as challenging leads to health inequa… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/783390166899683328
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:35
RT @WeLDnurses: Tonight we are lucky to have @paulahopes1 hosting tonights #weldns chat. details are available at http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/2859
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:36
RT @PaulaHopes1: #WeLDNs the first thing I wanted to ask was do you think that being described as challenging leads to health inequalities?…
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:36
We'll now hand over to @PaulaHopes1 to ask the questions in tonight's #homesnothospitals #weldns chat!
@Nurse2Coach
04 October 2016 20:36
Hey everyone, wechatting away here in Shropshire #Weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:36
RT @WeLDnurses: We'll now hand over to @PaulaHopes1 to ask the questions in tonight's #homesnothospitals #weldns chat!
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:36
RT @PaulaHopes1: #WeLDNs the first thing I wanted to ask was do you think that being described as challenging leads to health inequalities?…
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:37
RT @WeLDnurses: We'll now hand over to @PaulaHopes1 to ask the questions in tonight's #homesnothospitals #weldns chat!
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:37
RT @PaulaHopes1: #WeLDNs the first thing I wanted to ask was do you think that being described as challenging leads to health inequalities?…
@TimSpurs
04 October 2016 20:37
@WeLDnurses Hi Tim from Carmarthen #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:37
RT @Nurse2Coach: Hey everyone, wechatting away here in Shropshire #Weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:38
RT @TimSpurs: @WeLDnurses Hi Tim from Carmarthen #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:38
Hello everyone sorry I'm a little late ?? #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:38
RT @WeLDnurses: Tonight we are lucky to have @paulahopes1 hosting tonights #weldns chat. details are available at https://t.co/7VZDjLU4xr
@LDNurse1
04 October 2016 20:38
#weldns evening from Delightful Dudley
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:38
RT @PaulaHopes1: #WeLDNs the first thing I wanted to ask was do you think that being described as challenging leads to health inequalities?…
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:38
RT @PaulaHopes1: #WeLDNs the first thing I wanted to ask was do you think that being described as challenging leads to health inequalities?…
@dmarsden49
04 October 2016 20:38
@PaulaHopes1 great question. Doesn't any label lead to a set of preconceptions and possible actions/activities? #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:38
#weldns https://t.co/AVRqPrk9mp
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:39
RT @salsa442: Hello everyone sorry I'm a little late ?? #WeLDNs
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 20:39
Josh here over in Stafford #WeLDNs
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:39
RT @LDNurse1: #weldns evening from Delightful Dudley
@leemiller77
04 October 2016 20:39
@PaulaHopes1 #weldns definitely labels reduce individuality and prejudice care
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:39
@LDNurse1 Welcome Sean! #weldns
@Nurse2Coach
04 October 2016 20:39
@PaulaHopes1 @WeLDnurses the risk is there, definitely - but the level of risk depends on the interpretation of the label CB #weldns
@sweeney_elaine
04 October 2016 20:39
@sweeney_elaine #weldns Hello from Darlington
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:39
@PaulaHopes1 Very much so. The terminology places the problem on the person not on the service. #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:39
RT @dmarsden49: @PaulaHopes1 great question. Doesn't any label lead to a set of preconceptions and possible actions/activities? #weldns
@nufcaimee
04 October 2016 20:39
@PaulaHopes1 certainly, I think the term challenging holds a lot of potential for stigmatisation #weLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:39
@salsa442 Hello you #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:39
RT @HabitualJoshing: Josh here over in Stafford #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:40
@HabitualJoshing Hey Josh! #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:40
@DrMariosAdamou I think this is about whether people get access to the same care &treatment as those without #LD #weldns what do you think?
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:40
RT @leemiller77: @PaulaHopes1 #weldns definitely labels reduce individuality and prejudice care
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:40
@PaulaHopes1 What happens when we stop describing behaviour as challenging and call it distressed? #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:40
RT @sweeney_elaine: @sweeney_elaine #weldns Hello from Darlington
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:40
RT @samabdulla: @PaulaHopes1 Very much so. The terminology places the problem on the person not on the service. #weldns
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 20:40
RT @PaulaHopes1: #WeLDNs the first thing I wanted to ask was do you think that being described as challenging leads to health inequalities?…
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:40
@PaulaHopes1 it shouldn't but unfortunately it does, like a label put on an individual.almost like staff are scared of the person #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:40
Don't forget to use #weldns in your tweets so they can be captured for the transcript! https://t.co/jMv1xVHuNC
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:41
RT @PaulaHopes1: @DrMariosAdamou I think this is about whether people get access to the same care &treatment as those without #LD #weldns w…
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:41
@PaulaHopes1 I think when labelled as challenging attitudes change 2wards that person which definitely lead to health inequals #WeLDNs
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:41
@samabdulla great point, ppl attribute their views to the behaviours of others and this can excuse or define practice #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:41
RT @dmarsden49: @PaulaHopes1 great question. Doesn't any label lead to a set of preconceptions and possible actions/activities? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:41
RT @leemiller77: @PaulaHopes1 #weldns definitely labels reduce individuality and prejudice care
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:41
@AmyWixey @PaulaHopes1 is it Labels that are the issue or is it the values attributed to labels that create the issue? #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:41
@WeLDnurses Heyyy #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:41
RT @samabdulla: @PaulaHopes1 What happens when we stop describing behaviour as challenging and call it distressed? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:41
RT @samabdulla: @PaulaHopes1 Very much so. The terminology places the problem on the person not on the service. #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:41
RT @samabdulla: @PaulaHopes1 What happens when we stop describing behaviour as challenging and call it distressed? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:42
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 Evening Sam! #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 20:42
#WeLDNs Good evening from County Durham
@DrMariosAdamou
04 October 2016 20:42
@PaulaHopes1 would rather separate care from treatment and examine inequalities separately for each? #weldns
@2ndChildishness
04 October 2016 20:42
RT @samabdulla: @PaulaHopes1 What happens when we stop describing behaviour as challenging and call it distressed? #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:42
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 I think it's what people assume the label must mean that is the issue, #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:42
@AimeeWakenshaw @PaulaHopes1 Hello Aimee, welcome to the chat! #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:42
@PaulaHopes1 It by no means excuses poor practice IMO. Particularly in a unit that assesses and manage behaviours that challenge #weldns
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 20:43
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 I've always found that simple change of lang changes thinking. They think more about what they can do #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:43
RT @PaulaHopes1: @DrMariosAdamou I think this is about whether people get access to the same care &treatment as those without #LD #weldns w…
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:43
@PaulaHopes1 @WeLDnurses I think it creates a barrier straight away and can restrict building a therapeutic relationship #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:43
RT @DrMariosAdamou: @PaulaHopes1 would rather separate care from treatment and examine inequalities separately for each? #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:43
@AmyWixey @PaulaHopes1 so the values? Personally I feel some 'labels' have uses #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:43
@RobCarr57 Evening Rob! #weldns
@kirstytaylor193
04 October 2016 20:43
@PaulaHopes1 The word challenging presents loads of barriers, how about #communication instead? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:43
RT @AmyWixey: @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 I think it's what people assume the label must mean that is the issue, #WeLDNs
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:44
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 yes, ones values #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:44
@ross_6479 @WeLDnurses important to think about how to break down barriers and increase accessibility #weldns #homesnothospitals
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:44
@HabitualJoshing @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 totally agree #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:44
@HabitualJoshing @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 I agree, we need to be scrupulously careful about the words we use to describe people #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:44
@HabitualJoshing @PaulaHopes1 agreed. It also changes understanding of the person #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:44
Language is hugely powerful, isn't it? #weldns https://t.co/kFHZtdqdaG
@leemiller77
04 October 2016 20:44
@PaulaHopes1 Certainly true, important to consider the reasons behind any behaviours and understand their function in order to help #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:44
RT @samabdulla: @HabitualJoshing @PaulaHopes1 agreed. It also changes understanding of the person #weldns
@TimSpurs
04 October 2016 20:45
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses @PaulaHopes1 Labelling of people induces preconceived ideas people hear words and then forget the person #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:45
Care to elaborate? #weldns https://twitter.com/samabdulla/status/783392163509964801
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 20:45
the moment someone has a label the behaviours of others changes towards that person #weldns https://twitter.com/samabdulla/status/783391642434801664
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:45
RT @TheSquibQueen: @PaulaHopes1 The word challenging presents loads of barriers, how about #communication instead? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:46
That is a great way to look at it, ppl behave in ways to communicate their needs #weldns behaviour is a message https://t.co/YDw16AMzaT
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:46
@TimSpurs @WeLDnurses @PaulaHopes1 Person first always. A person has a learning disability, they aren't a learning disabled person #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:46
great to see so many views on this #weldns so moving on https://t.co/CR8mHekqcW
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:46
@salsa442 @HabitualJoshing @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 How very eloquent you are Sal! #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:46
RT @PaulaHopes1: great to see so many views on this #weldns so moving on https://t.co/CR8mHekqcW
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:46
@WeLDnurses 'Labels' can mean access to services, to monies, support. #weldns
@DrMariosAdamou
04 October 2016 20:47
Labels can also be range #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:47
@RobCarr57 @samabdulla @AmyWixey @PaulaHopes1 Do we not all have labels applied to us? Do labels ever serve a useful function? #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:47
RT @PaulaHopes1: That is a great way to look at it, ppl behave in ways to communicate their needs #weldns behaviour is a message https://t.…
@S411Y100
04 October 2016 20:47
#weldns hello ?? I like thinking in terms of distress, anxiety and communication difficulties -feel more empowered to put interventions in
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:47
RT @PaulaHopes1: great to see so many views on this #weldns so moving on https://t.co/CR8mHekqcW
@DrMariosAdamou
04 October 2016 20:47
#weldns labels can also be dangerous
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:48
RT @TheSquibQueen: @PaulaHopes1 The word challenging presents loads of barriers, how about #communication instead? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:48
RT @PaulaHopes1: great to see so many views on this #weldns so moving on https://t.co/CR8mHekqcW
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:48
@WeLDnurses @HabitualJoshing @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 I am sensing sarcasm! ??I have had an incredibly long day #poorcomms #WeLDNs
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 20:48
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 does the term distressed then become a label and take on a different meaning? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:49
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses 'Labels' can mean access to services, to monies, support. #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:49
@salsa442 @WeLDnurses @HabitualJoshing @samabdulla thx for joining in after a long day, it's great to see the passion #weldns
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 20:49
RT @S411Y100: #weldns hello ?? I like thinking in terms of distress, anxiety and communication difficulties -feel more empowered to put inte…
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:50
@salsa442 @HabitualJoshing @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 No subtext, liked the use of scrupulously! #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:50
This does seem a more positive way to describe people, in terms of possible interventions #WeLDNs https://t.co/fKJEPcSRZn
@MaryDunningTU
04 October 2016 20:50
@PaulaHopes1 Did he see the LD first and not Stephanie?#weldns @MaryDunningTU
@kirstytaylor193
04 October 2016 20:50
@PaulaHopes1 maybe the interventions are only as good as the staff who implement them? No effort = No outcomes #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:51
@WeLDnurses @HabitualJoshing @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 ?? #WeLDNs
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 20:51
@RobCarr57 @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 possibly it could become a label but it doesn't locate the problem in the person #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:51
@samabdulla that's the point, this girl was neglected with no clear plans #weldns quality of life issues and health concerns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:52
RT @TheSquibQueen: @PaulaHopes1 maybe the interventions are only as good as the staff who implement them? No effort = No outcomes #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:52
RT @TheSquibQueen: @PaulaHopes1 maybe the interventions are only as good as the staff who implement them? No effort = No outcomes #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:52
@PaulaHopes1 which is inexcusable #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:52
RT @PaulaHopes1: @samabdulla that's the point, this girl was neglected with no clear plans #weldns quality of life issues and health concer…
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:53
RT @samabdulla: @PaulaHopes1 which is inexcusable #weldns
@S411Y100
04 October 2016 20:53
#weldns if someone is distressed I can look for reasons why and I can also help others to think from the individual's experience, empathy
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:53
Difficult to think about how to support and engage without being able to describe the need #weldns https://t.co/WJrBWj49cT
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:53
RT @RobCarr57: the moment someone has a label the behaviours of others changes towards that person #weldns https://t.co/TTZxQuzOHq
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:54
#weldns https://t.co/3fBSa798wt
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 20:54
@PaulaHopes1 @MaryDunningTU I think I had the same interpretation of it. That it was a judgement on the service competency #weldns
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 20:54
RT @S411Y100: #weldns if someone is distressed I can look for reasons why and I can also help others to think from the individual's experie…
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:54
Don't forget the #weldns hashtag! https://t.co/1URiBXPdwO
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:54
Would be great to hear more about this, lots of talk on SafeWards #weldns https://twitter.com/communityld/status/783393906079719424
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:54
RT @S411Y100: #weldns if someone is distressed I can look for reasons why and I can also help others to think from the individual's experie…
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:55
Changing the way we talk about ppl so impt and including them in the discussion even more so #weldns https://t.co/fLtb3L8gFX
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:55
@PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 @samabdulla I think we have 2 be able to describe needs,but maybe we need to think how we can do this better #WeLDNs
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:56
RT @DrMariosAdamou: #weldns labels can also be dangerous
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:56
RT @PaulaHopes1: Changing the way we talk about ppl so impt and including them in the discussion even more so #weldns https://t.co/fLtb3L8g…
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 20:56
@PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla it will form part of service improvement essay for current learning @TeesUniSOHSC so will be happy to share #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:56
Don't forget the #weldns hashtag, otherwise we will send the police round! https://t.co/Yx6JyiJS17
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:56
#weldns https://t.co/3bjNOly1lT
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:56
#weldns placing ppl in services for assessment and treatment without clear plans for this leads to further inequali… https://t.co/5rx3ucdBWS
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:56
RT @PaulaHopes1: Would be great to hear more about this, lots of talk on SafeWards #weldns https://t.co/fLtb3L8gFX
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:57
RT @PaulaHopes1: Changing the way we talk about ppl so impt and including them in the discussion even more so #weldns https://t.co/fLtb3L8g…
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:57
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 the problem I have with that is over time those words then become difficult #weldns
@nufcaimee
04 October 2016 20:57
Sorry @WeLDnurses @PaulaHopes1 the wifi signal is not on my side tonight. Will catch up tomorrow and enjoy the rest of the chat #weLDNs
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:57
RT @WeLDnurses: Don't forget the #weldns hashtag, otherwise we will send the police round! https://t.co/Yx6JyiJS17
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 20:57
@AimeeWakenshaw @WeLDnurses thx Aimee, great to have you involved, #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 20:57
@PaulaHopes1 @CommunityLd @samabdulla agree, interesting to read abt diff. perceptions when CB changed to behaviour which challenges #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:57
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 So how can we stop this from happening? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:58
RT @PaulaHopes1: #weldns placing ppl in services for assessment and treatment without clear plans for this leads to further inequality #wel…
@DrMariosAdamou
04 October 2016 20:58
@PaulaHopes1 #weldns there can be inequality without the term "challenging" appearing at all https://t.co/05ccZ4LxS1
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:58
@CommunityLd @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla @TeesUniSOHSC I'd be very interested to hear more about this Glen #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 20:58
RT @WeLDnurses: Don't forget the #weldns hashtag, otherwise we will send the police round! https://t.co/Yx6JyiJS17
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 20:59
@PaulaHopes1 and in describing the need then does that become a another type of label. as ld nurses we see the person not the label #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 20:59
RT @salsa442: @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 So how can we stop this from happening? #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:59
@PaulaHopes @DrMariosAdamou i don't think its as simple as 1 or the other. The inequalities attributed to PWLD is exacerbated by CB #weldns
@TimSpurs
04 October 2016 20:59
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses I think we should be promoting inclusion & ppl with LD having socially valued roles #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 20:59
@PaulaHopes1 definitely agree, this is very important, including the individual, person centered #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 20:59
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Thats the question, education? awareness building? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:00
@RobCarr57 absolutely, so how can we get others to do this? In this young ladies case ppl saw problem, no skills teaching no #PBS #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:00
RT @AmyWixey: @PaulaHopes1 definitely agree, this is very important, including the individual, person centered #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:00
This can be considered #weldns #ebp Thanks for sharing! https://t.co/sBuAUfVzm4
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:00
@TimSpurs @WeLDnurses of course that a key role in the LD nurse role #weldns
@DrMariosAdamou
04 October 2016 21:00
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes #weldns good point Sam
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:00
RT @DrMariosAdamou: @PaulaHopes1 #weldns there can be inequality without the term "challenging" appearing at all https://westminsterautismcommission.wordpress.com
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:00
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 I think education and awareness for all staff working with pwld -that has to be the start for me #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:01
RT @TimSpurs: @samabdulla @WeLDnurses I think we should be promoting inclusion & ppl with LD having socially valued roles #weldns
@JackSkinner81
04 October 2016 21:01
RT @LearningDisElf: This #WeLDNs chat at 8.30pm this evening will be well worth an hour of your time. Working with the Whole Person. Good l…
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:01
@PaulaHopes1 @CommunityLd @samabdulla definitely #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:01
@DrMariosAdamou true, in many aspects, evidence suggests those described as challenging more likely to experience restrictions/abuse #weldns
@S411Y100
04 October 2016 21:01
#weldns difficult as it's part of much larger issue, inadequate services for people to move on to so people remain in a&t inappropriately
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:02
RT @samabdulla: @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Thats the question, education? awareness building? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:02
RT @salsa442: @CommunityLd @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla @TeesUniSOHSC I'd be very interested to hear more about this Glen #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:02
RT @samabdulla: @TimSpurs @WeLDnurses of course that a key role in the LD nurse role #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:02
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 agreed, IME as a Support worker there were little training opps #weldns
@HabitualJoshing
04 October 2016 21:02
@PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 I think we need to look at what is being commissioned and make sure ppl are clear what they must deliver #weldns
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:02
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla in forensics it's not abt dressing' people up but using accurate and positive terms to imp att #weldns
@MaryDunningTU
04 October 2016 21:02
@PaulaHopes1 @WeLDnurses The disability brings the challenges but need to consider challenges for who staff or service user #weldns
@DrMariosAdamou
04 October 2016 21:03
@PaulaHopes1 #weldns is it because of the language though or what it purports to describe?
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:03
Service provision is a key factor in supporting people out of A&T units IMO #weldns https://t.co/f362llKRgS
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:03
and what about the family? Stephanie's sister gave some very moving comments about her uniqueness and role in the family #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:03
@salsa442 @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 such a difficult question. #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 21:04
@CommunityLd @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla I agree! Sounds great and would love to hear about it #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:04
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 training for support workers could certainly be improved IMO,& needs consolidating in practice #WeLDNs
@S411Y100
04 October 2016 21:04
#weldns difficult a&t environments mean care may not be what is needed, quiet, calm, appropriately stimulating, homely
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:05
@RobCarr57 @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 I know ?? #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:05
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 who should have responsibility? As a CLDN we are often asked, shouldn't it lie with org? #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:05
@samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 is it the words or the people who interpret them? #weldns
@dmarsden49
04 October 2016 21:05
Have you seen @MumsCircle petition about education and training? #weldns https://t.co/LIhpoBJUPj
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:05
@salsa442 @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 difficulty with providing training is evaluating impact on practice (late 2 party) #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:05
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 But are the org's achieving?Should LDNs be commissioned to provide education? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:05
RT @S411Y100: #weldns difficult as it's part of much larger issue, inadequate services for people to move on to so people remain in a&t ina…
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:06
@samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 #weldns and commissioners, more responsibility with CTR's and transforming care #welds
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:06
@dmarsden49 @MumsCircle @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 No, do you have a link? #WeLDNs
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:06
@AmyWixey @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla think Im going to have to put some effort into this project ?? #weldns
@kirstytaylor193
04 October 2016 21:06
@PaulaHopes1 I do believe #PBS training for all HCAs/Nurses. Many are still clueless about its benefits and how to implement it #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:06
RT @salsa442: @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 But are the org's achieving?Should LDNs be commissioned to provide education? #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:06
@Mermcm @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Glad I'm not the only late one! #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:06
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 I think there is a role. Should we only be commissioning SC that have accredited trainers? #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:07
@PaulaHopes1 @DrMariosAdamou @WeLDnurses thinking about terms, I'm often surprised to hear what people consider to be 'challenging' #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:07
@PaulaHopes1 @DrMariosAdamou @WeLDnurses this in itself creates a challenge in providing person centred support #weldns
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:07
@samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 CTLDs may do 'person specific' training but wider needs specialist resources #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:07
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 a specialist service for people with Autism should be able 2 evidence what makes them 'specialist' #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:08
@chris_dlamini involving in the journey and listening #collaboration #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:08
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 That's a really interesting question Sam #weldns
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:08
On the original #homesnothospitals im trying to get an alliance of professionals to develop a moving on from hospital intervention #weldns
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 21:08
@dmarsden49 with our @PowwowNurses sessions we dispel myths &encourage discussion from within first year of nurse education #WeLDNs
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:08
RT @S411Y100: #weldns difficult as it's part of much larger issue, inadequate services for people to move on to so people remain in a&t ina…
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:09
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 As with A&T, how do they distinguish higher level of knowledge from every other LDN? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:09
Well you've told us all about it now, you'll be hosting a twitterchat next #weldns https://t.co/qTKJFhgmid
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:09
Ahh this one! #weldns #ebp https://twitter.com/MumsCircle/status/782136438565531648
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:09
@AmyWixey @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla but any students reading you should never settle for just passing #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:09
@salsa442 @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 absolutely right - how can other carers respond appropriately if they don't understand #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:10
RT @WeLDnurses: Ahh this one! #weldns #ebp https://t.co/bwiWgjuFuD
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:10
https://t.co/6WF0sZeK7N #weldns #ebp https://t.co/4Ql0qjl0BO
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:10
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 interesting that high number of NQN find posts in Inpt but CLDT demand x number of years post reg? #weldns
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:10
@PaulaHopes1 @AmyWixey @salsa442 @samabdulla they've already virtually kidnapped me once ?? #weldns #internetsafey
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:11
dev & delivery of training takes time & skills - teaching part of role of every RNLD but training different #weldns
@TimSpurs
04 October 2016 21:11
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses We do have a role to enable people. They aren't tasks in day to day working life #weldns
@MaryDunningTU
04 October 2016 21:11
@PaulaHopes1 Important for the family to know that lessons are learnt #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:11
RT @WeLDnurses: https://t.co/6WF0sZeK7N #weldns #ebp https://t.co/4Ql0qjl0BO
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:11
RT @WeLDnurses: https://t.co/6WF0sZeK7N #weldns #ebp https://t.co/4Ql0qjl0BO
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:11
@samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 #weldns this goes back to the debate on accreditation for #PBS training
@leemiller77
04 October 2016 21:11
@TheSquibQueen @PaulaHopes1 totally agree, so important to aim to understand the underlying communication #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:11
RT @salsa442: @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 That's a really interesting question Sam #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:11
RT @salsa442: @samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 But are the org's achieving?Should LDNs be commissioned to provide education? #WeLDNs
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:12
@PaulaHopes1 if anyone has any ideas re evaluating impact of specialist training on S/worker practice would love to hear! #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:12
@samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 #weldns has to be the person who holds the story, who knows them best? Delivering person centred training
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:12
RT @samabdulla: @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 agreed, IME as a Support worker there were little training opps #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:12
RT @leemiller77: @TheSquibQueen @PaulaHopes1 totally agree, so important to aim to understand the underlying communication #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:12
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Good point,so how are we assured they're a 'specialist service' - clinical leadership maybe? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:12
It's easy to host a chat! Just check this page https://t.co/6WF0sZeK7N #weldns https://t.co/TenpqLPB3f
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:12
RT @PaulaHopes1: @samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 #weldns has to be the person who holds the story, who knows them best? Delivering person…
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:12
@PaulaHopes1 @salsa442 @RobCarr57 agreed but a base understanding of concepts needs to be delivered also. #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:12
Absolutely, sharing good and practice, duty of candour, working together #weldns https://t.co/RWHqGER9R9
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:12
RT @Mermcm: dev & delivery of training takes time & skills - teaching part of role of every RNLD but training different #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:13
@CommunityLd @PaulaHopes1 @AmyWixey @samabdulla And we will happily 'kidnap' you again to share your fabulous work! #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:13
@salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 I would like to see accredited training for a start. #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:14
@samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 is that because inpt has a campus style provision and other more experienced LDNs are nearby ? #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:14
RT @samabdulla: @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 I would like to see accredited training for a start. #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:14
Time for one last question, how might positive behaviour support has been used in Stephanie's situation #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:14
RT @PaulaHopes1: @samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 #weldns this goes back to the debate on accreditation for #PBS training
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:14
RT @leemiller77: @TheSquibQueen @PaulaHopes1 totally agree, so important to aim to understand the underlying communication #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:14
RT @PaulaHopes1: Time for one last question, how might positive behaviour support has been used in Stephanie's situation #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:14
I think it is #weldns https://twitter.com/marydunningtu/status/783399842827624452
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:14
RT @CommunityLd: @AmyWixey @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla but any students reading you should never settle for just passing #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:14
Yes, check out the link http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/host-a-chat #weldns https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/783399458771988484
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:15
@samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 accredited by who though?Prob is many 'specialist' bodies.Who is authoritative voice? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:15
@CommunityLd @AmyWixey @salsa442 @samabdulla aim high! #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:15
RT @PaulaHopes1: Time for one last question, how might positive behaviour support has been used in Stephanie's situation #WeLDNs
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:15
RT @ross_6479: Yes, check out the link http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/host-a-chat #weldns https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/783399458771988484
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:15
Sounds like a great chat topic! would you like to be a #weldns host? http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/host-a-chat https://twitter.com/Mermcm/status/783399302790057984
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:16
@RobCarr57 @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 Perhaps, and certainly i don't doubt the skills of NQN it just strikes me as odd on occasion #weldns
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:16
@PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 we support people to leave hospital, where possible, bring person to deliver training #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:16
@DrMariosAdamou @PaulaHopes1 @WeLDnurses precisely that #weldns
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:16
@samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 courses mapped against LD core skills framework helpful? http://www.skillsforhealth.org.uk/images/resource-section/projects/learning-disabilities/Learning-Disabilities-CSTF.pdf #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:16
RT @PaulaHopes1: Absolutely, sharing good and practice, duty of candour, working together #weldns https://twitter.com/marydunningtu/status/783399080731021312
@Nurse2Coach
04 October 2016 21:16
@PaulaHopes1 much of my 20+ yrs in LD focused on moving people with CB out of hospitals, the debate re labels sadly hasn't moved on #weldns
@TimSpurs
04 October 2016 21:17
@samabdulla @PaulaHopes1 @salsa442 @RobCarr57 A problem is that LD is fast disappearing into MH & LD understanding is diminishing #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:17
@Mermcm @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Many orgs now using BILD accreditation, accredited by universities? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:17
Are there plans to accredit #pbs training? #weldns https://t.co/ETAMrKqw7y
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:17
@WeLDnurses always ;) #weldns
@S411Y100
04 October 2016 21:17
#weldns measurable goals and a plan towards discharge from admission which looks holistically and positively at the person
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:17
RT @PaulaHopes1: Time for one last question, how might positive behaviour support has been used in Stephanie's situation #WeLDNs
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:17
Previously not well defined, what makes a specialist service? #weldns https://twitter.com/samabdulla/status/783398260929093632
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:18
@WeLDnurses plans are one thing but its #7daysofaction ;) #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:18
#weldns oops! https://twitter.com/paulahopes1/status/783393437798260736
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:18
RT @PaulaHopes1: @samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 #weldns and commissioners, more responsibility with CTR's and transforming care #welds
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:18
#weldns https://t.co/IIJrslrhRC
@kirstytaylor193
04 October 2016 21:18
@PaulaHopes1 Twitter doesnt allow me write a 4,000 word essay to answer ur question #PBS could have solved many problems 4 Stephanie #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:18
I believe that counts as #weldns #ebp Thanks for sharing! https://twitter.com/Mermcm/status/783400396777725953
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:19
@samabdulla @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Maybe universities should provide the accreditation? #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:19
@TimSpurs @PaulaHopes1 @salsa442 @RobCarr57 That depends where you are in the UK. Wales and Scotland > commission of ug places #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:19
RT @WeLDnurses: Are there plans to accredit #pbs training? #weldns https://t.co/ETAMrKqw7y
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:19
RT @samabdulla: @Mermcm @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Many orgs now using BILD accreditation, accredited by universities? #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:19
@TimSpurs @PaulaHopes1 @salsa442 @RobCarr57 data provided recently by RCN on commissioning is about Eng #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:20
@salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 there is a place for it. Then comes the q of funding it #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:20
RT @samabdulla: @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 I would like to see accredited training for a start. #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:20
@Mermcm @samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 including a core set of standards and competencies #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:20
RT @samabdulla: @Mermcm @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Many orgs now using BILD accreditation, accredited by universities? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:20
RT @samabdulla: @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 there is a place for it. Then comes the q of funding it #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:20
RT @salsa442: @samabdulla @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Maybe universities should provide the accreditation? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:20
We have #weldns chats based on #7daysofaction and #pbs over the next three weeks! https://t.co/st03PxyqmT
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 21:20
RT @PaulaHopes1: This is getting better but values based recruitment and increasing morale so important imo to quality of care #weldns http…
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:21
RT @RobCarr57: @Mermcm @samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 including a core set of standards and competencies #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:21
Lots of work being done by #PBS academy @ProfRHastings looking at this #weldns https://t.co/3A7oLvSBwT
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:21
@samabdulla @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 And then the real problems start... who commissions accreditation? #weldns
@jimgblair
04 October 2016 21:21
RT @WeLDnurses: We have #weldns chats based on #7daysofaction and #pbs over the next three weeks! https://twitter.com/samabdulla/status/783400814467514368
@AmyWixey
04 October 2016 21:21
RT @WeLDnurses: We have #weldns chats based on #7daysofaction and #pbs over the next three weeks! https://twitter.com/samabdulla/status/783400814467514368
@jimgblair
04 October 2016 21:21
RT @samabdulla: @Mermcm @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 Many orgs now using BILD accreditation, accredited by universities? #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:21
RT @WeLDnurses: We have #weldns chats based on #7daysofaction and #pbs over the next three weeks! https://twitter.com/samabdulla/status/783400814467514368
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:21
@RobCarr57 @samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 https://hee.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/documents/Generic%20Service%20Interventions%20Pathway.pdf #weldns #ebp
@jimgblair
04 October 2016 21:21
RT @WeLDnurses: I believe that counts as #weldns #ebp Thanks for sharing! https://twitter.com/Mermcm/status/783400396777725953
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:21
If you'd like to write a blog for the @wenurses community, we'd love to help #weldns https://twitter.com/TheSquibQueen/status/783400979320438788
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:22
Very good point Kirsty, need more than an hr to explore, we can do it in our new module! #weldns https://twitter.com/thesquibqueen/status/783400979320438788
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:22
RT @salsa442: @samabdulla @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 @RobCarr57 And then the real problems start... who commissions accreditation? #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:22
RT @WeLDnurses: If you'd like to write a blog for the @wenurses community, we'd love to help #weldns https://twitter.com/TheSquibQueen/status/783400979320438788
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:22
RT @PaulaHopes1: Lots of work being done by #PBS academy @ProfRHastings looking at this #weldns https://twitter.com/mermcm/status/783400050374443009
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:23
@PaulaHopes1 @ProfRHastings health needs not *just* about PBS though (important as it is) #weldns
@MaryDunningTU
04 October 2016 21:23
@PaulaHopes1 #weldns providing care that is person centred & underpinned by values. Both competence & compassion matter, evidence-based int
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:24
RT @PaulaHopes1: Got to continue to shout loud, share our skills and experience, stand up for our service users and our profession #weldns…
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:24
Interesting, what's the #ldnurses role in #pbs? Are there any #ldnurses driving this research forward? #weldns https://t.co/nwtCsown8c
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:24
RT @PaulaHopes1: Got to continue to shout loud, share our skills and experience, stand up for our service users and our profession #weldns…
@ElaineLJames
04 October 2016 21:24
That reminds me #weldns of this blog from the last #7daysofaction in April https://t.co/z8f6w7jGU3 https://t.co/3eHfmc4l9l
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:24
@Nurse2Coach things have to change and some of it is being reflected e.g. 'Least restrictive' 'behaviours described as challenging' #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:24
@samabdulla @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 there should be a specific budget set out with the local authority #weldns
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:25
More #weldns #ebp Thanks for sharing! https://t.co/lUTYn7nlRp
@kirstytaylor193
04 October 2016 21:25
@WeLDnurses @WeNurses Wouldn't know where to start but sounds like an interesting opportunity and would like to learn more! #weldns
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:25
@PaulaHopes1 @TimSpurs @samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 offender health are actively seeking #weldns in prisons, CJLD and forensic MH
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:25
@DrMariosAdamou @ross_6479 @WeLDnurses ?????? perfect demonstration of what challenging behaviour was originally intended to define #weldns
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:25
RT @RobCarr57: @samabdulla @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 there should be a specific budget set out with the local authority #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:25
RT @CommunityLd: @PaulaHopes1 @TimSpurs @samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 offender health are actively seeking #weldns in prisons, CJLD and…
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:25
RT @RobCarr57: @samabdulla @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 there should be a specific budget set out with the local authority #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:25
RT @RobCarr57: @Mermcm @samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 including a core set of standards and competencies #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:26
RT @Mermcm: @RobCarr57 @samabdulla @salsa442 @PaulaHopes1 https://hee.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/documents/Generic%20Service%20Interventions%20Pathway.pdf #weldns #ebp
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:26
@chris_dlamini Chris - we'd love to be able to share you #ebp, but your account is protected, is this intentional? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:26
RT @MaryDunningTU: @PaulaHopes1 #weldns providing care that is person centred & underpinned by values. Both competence & compassion matter,…
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:26
RT @Mermcm: @PaulaHopes1 @ProfRHastings health needs not *just* about PBS though (important as it is) #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:26
@salsa442 @samabdulla @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 I think this should be those responsible for public health e.g. local authority #weldns
@CommunityLd
04 October 2016 21:26
@WeLDnurses @PaulaHopes1 @ProfRHastings behaviour bas always been #weldns core skill set... Don't give it away to psychology
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:26
@RobCarr57 @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 immediate investment for long term gain. #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:26
RT @WeLDnurses: Interesting, what's the #ldnurses role in #pbs? Are there any #ldnurses driving this research forward? #weldns https://t.co…
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:27
RT @ElaineLJames: That reminds me #weldns of this blog from the last #7daysofaction in April http://chrishatton.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/the-complexity-complex.html https://twitter.com/DrMariosAdamou/status/783399143544848387
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:27
@RobCarr57 @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 Possible with better integration of H and SC? Smarter use of pot? #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:27
RT @PaulaHopes1: Got to continue to shout loud, share our skills and experience, stand up for our service users and our profession #weldns…
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:27
Loads of #weldns #ebp tonight, thank you all! https://t.co/IRnnPJnVxF
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:27
@MaryDunningTU @PaulaHopes1 @samabdulla @salsa442 @RobCarr57 @WeLDnurses oh absolutely. Need to focus on knowledge AND skills #weldns
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:27
RT @samabdulla: @RobCarr57 @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 immediate investment for long term gain. #weldns
@samabdulla
04 October 2016 21:27
@CommunityLd @WeLDnurses @PaulaHopes1 @ProfRHastings is it giving away or about the right mix of prof? #weldns
@ElaineLJames
04 October 2016 21:27
#weldns really positive to find people with this much experience of making #homesnothospitals real - would be great… https://t.co/wlhkCOt4gD
@RobCarr57
04 October 2016 21:27
RT @samabdulla: @RobCarr57 @salsa442 @Mermcm @PaulaHopes1 Possible with better integration of H and SC? Smarter use of pot? #weldns
@Nurse2Coach
04 October 2016 21:28
@PaulaHopes1 I agree - but it saddens me these are the same discussions I was involved in 20 years ago - we did some fab work #weldns
@salsa442
04 October 2016 21:28
RT @WeLDnurses: Loads of #weldns #ebp tonight, thank you all! https://t.co/IRnnPJnVxF
@ElaineLJames
04 October 2016 21:29
imagine if we knocked down the artificial wall of Continuing Health Care and made it 1 pot with social care #weldns… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/783403575418445824
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:29
RT @ElaineLJames: #weldns really positive to find people with this much experience of making #homesnothospitals real - would be great to he…
@LearningDisElf
04 October 2016 21:29
Thanks for an interesting discussion tonight! (I've been lurking but enjoying the contributions). Looking fwd to more #weldns in October!
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:29
RT @ElaineLJames: #weldns really positive to find people with this much experience of making #homesnothospitals real - would be great to he…
@LearningDisElf
04 October 2016 21:29
If you have time on Mon 10 Oct (10-4) #weldns Pls follow #PBSconf16 for the UCL Positive Behaviour Support event https://t.co/8jGOreZj4E
@WeLDnurses
04 October 2016 21:29
@Nurse2Coach @PaulaHopes1 Is the population in hospital smaller now? #weldns
@Mermcm
04 October 2016 21:29
@PaulaHopes1 no thinking about *her* at all :(, her feelings, life or her 'health needs' #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
04 October 2016 21:29
Thank you everyone joining in tonight, some great knowledge, experience and opinions out there! Hope you've enjoyed as much as me! #weldns
@ross_6479_RNLD
04 October 2016 21:29
@CommunityLd @samabdulla @WeLDnurses @PaulaHopes1 @ProfRHastings seen some fab examples of #rnld & #psy collaboration in this area #weldns




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