#WeDNs - Wednesday 28th June 2017 8pm (GMT Standard Time)
Responding to the NMC Consultations
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The Nursing and Midwifery Council has recently published consultation documents outlining a programme of change of education so that future nurses and midwives are equipped to work across health and social care. This chat will consider the consultation from a community nursing perspective to prepare you to respond to the consultation whether it as an individual or as a group.
Prior to the chat you may wish to access the relevant documents:
https://www.nmc.org.uk/education/education-consultation/
Some of the questions we will explore are:
- What does person centred care mean in the community?
- What nursing procedures are required of the registered nurse in the community?
- What relationship and communication skills are required to nurse in the community?
- Do the new models of supervision promote inter-professional working?
- Are the terms practice facilitator and practice assessor suitable for undergraduate and postgraduate students?
- Local areas will have flexibility to agree on local supervision models. Do you agree with this?
- Do you agree with the proposal to adopt the Royal Pharmaceutical Society's single competency framework for all prescribers?
- Who should supervise and assess prescribing students?
- What are the advantages of having quicker access to prescribing programmes?
- What are the challenges in implementing the new standards?
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:00
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Good evening all give us a wave #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:01
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Apologies in advance my electrics have gone so no wifi, using phone , will try best to keep up #wedns |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:01
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Evening all from sunny Edinburgh #weDNs???????? |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:01
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Good evening from Glasgow #weDNs |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:03
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDNs I'm in the background heather so will help too |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:03
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#weDNs hi glasgow and edinburgh |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:04
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So first question #weDNs https://t.co/B5JYpsyCu8 |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:07
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#wedns shared decision making with patients and families, personalised care planning and really listening |
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@gilliand11
28 June 2017 20:07
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@WeDistrictNurse Had this chat today, I think we've always been great at this in community. It's always easier in a patients own home #wedns |
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@JiveEdinburgh
28 June 2017 20:07
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RT @Helenakelly73: Evening all from sunny Edinburgh #weDNs???????? |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:08
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#weDNs why do you think this is? https://t.co/j2s3P4chX7 |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:08
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Person centred care needs person centred leadership though to be completely effective what do others think? #weDNs |
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@GlasgowJives
28 June 2017 20:08
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RT @WeDistrictNurse: #weDNs hi glasgow and edinburgh |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:08
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RT @Helenakelly73: Person centred care needs person centred leadership though to be completely effective what do others think? #weDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:08
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RT @Helenakelly73: Person centred care needs person centred leadership though to be completely effective what do others think? #weDNs |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:08
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helping people manage their condition so they can live the lives they want in their own homes #weDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:09
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@Helenakelly73 #wedns what do you mean by person centred leadership? |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:09
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#wedns https://twitter.com/davidpugh25/status/880140992757862400 |
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@GlasgowJives
28 June 2017 20:10
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RT @erinfAPDN: Good evening from Glasgow #weDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:11
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Q2 an important one when responding to the @nmcnews consultation, causing many debates #weDNs https://t.co/7cUSQGbE51 |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:11
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDNs no homework needed for the expert ;) |
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@davidpugh25
28 June 2017 20:12
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@HeatherBain9 @WeDistrictNurse Fair play ??????#WeDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:14
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@davidpugh25 @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs I know you use HCA in your area, what does registered nurse do that they do not? |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:16
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I think we should be moving away from task based approaches..but necessary all the same. Catheters, wound mgmt, leg ulcer mgmt.. #weDNs |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:18
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HIIC/PICC, PEG, NJ...basically jack of all trades #weDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:19
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@erinfAPDN #weDNs who thinks NQN should be able to undertake physical examination |
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@gilliand11
28 June 2017 20:20
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@erinfAPDN I agree, the tasks are important but too often the bigger picture is being overlooked. #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:20
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#wedns the depth of assessment skills appears to be in debate, any views? https://t.co/J4btvrMyNR |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:21
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@gilliand11 @erinfAPDN #wedns - this is why I don't like the detailed skills annexe in the draft standards, howeve… https://t.co/FvRb1eDvXI |
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@janemair2
28 June 2017 20:22
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#wedns yep and from an education, role modelling in different forms- student-centred care, recognising nurses talents and developing :) |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:22
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Next question? #weDNs covers some previous comments -any other views? https://t.co/X5oHpt2RSy |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:23
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#wedns Hi Jane good you could join us https://t.co/Rn46tdxowk |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:24
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#weDNs and what about newly qualified nurses? https://t.co/LLiZMug8Kc |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:24
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@HeatherBain9 @erinfAPDN #WeDNs if they have had the associated education appropriate and adequate supervision and… https://t.co/oeiKFRfeNq |
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@davidpugh25
28 June 2017 20:24
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@WeDistrictNurse It's my belief that assessment skills are developed over time and should be nurtured through experiences #WeDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:25
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#weDNs i think your belief has some evidence ;) https://t.co/ZpSJp9H1qE |
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@shizc1
28 June 2017 20:26
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@Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse #wedns leadership is key to develop services, my trust just re instating clinical l… https://t.co/cqnkO7ur97 |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:26
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Another question to ponder #weDNs https://t.co/pszyZHOMxy |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:27
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#wedns My doctoral work identified the importance of clinical leadership to develop services and individuals https://t.co/6YcXo8jkFa |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:28
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@WeDistrictNurse Assessors can be multidisciplinary and there is mention of the health and social care agenda? #wedns |
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@shizc1
28 June 2017 20:28
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@HeatherBain9 good preceptorship with mentor and support in workplace #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:29
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#wedns Do you think this will help placement capacity ? And support the integration agenda https://t.co/dAXXniPIRy |
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@traceyhardy789
28 June 2017 20:30
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RT @Helenakelly73: @WeDistrictNurse Assessors can be multidisciplinary and there is mention of the health and social care agenda? #wedns |
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@gilliand11
28 June 2017 20:30
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@Helenakelly73 @HeatherBain9 @erinfAPDN From a development point of view I don't see why not. We all had to start somewhere. #wedns |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:30
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i think it may help utilise different skills across the team...and move away from task based training...#weDNs |
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@traceyhardy789
28 June 2017 20:31
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RT @WeDistrictNurse: #wedns Do you think this will help placement capacity ? And support the integration agenda https://t.co/dAXXniPIRy |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:32
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Small elite group tonight #wedns Lets consider another linked question https://t.co/Ggj7Ao0AqD |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:34
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@WeDistrictNurse Don't see a problem with this...what was wrong with mentor? #wedns |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:35
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@WeDistrictNurse #WeDNs we use facilitators in the DN programme, they support the students and the practice teacher |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:35
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#wedns what do others think, and the practice teacher? https://twitter.com/erinfapdn/status/880147456855613441 |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:37
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Time moving on Q6 I think develops this conversation further #wedns https://t.co/2MKZhssiPc |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:39
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@WeDistrictNurse Is this proving consistency for students though? #WeDNs |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:40
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@WeDistrictNurse this made me roll my eyes. I feel like the lack of standardisation across areas is bad enough! #wedns |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:40
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#wedns This will be supportive in areas where new models of service are being delivered or there are a shortage of… https://t.co/8RDjrqcE8r |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:40
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@Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse #wedns I think there needs to be a robust monitoring system to support these standa… https://t.co/yNkRHb35K2 |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:41
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@Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse Not sure it will Helena #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:41
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RT @erinfAPDN: @WeDistrictNurse this made me roll my eyes. I feel like the lack of standardisation across areas is bad enough! #wedns |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:41
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RT @HeatherBain9: @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse #wedns I think there needs to be a robust monitoring system to support these standards th… |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:41
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#wedns what will you suggest in response to the draft standards re this https://t.co/mt4hJ96fG8 |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:43
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#wedns so what about the shared prescribing competency framework? First regulatory body to adopt another's standards https://t.co/vIgpYRtjaU |
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@traceyhardy789
28 June 2017 20:43
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RT @HeatherBain9: @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse #wedns I think there needs to be a robust monitoring system to support these standards th… |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:45
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#wedns so is there another solution/proposal? https://t.co/6SO4DXsSlg |
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@gilliand11
28 June 2017 20:46
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Would love to stay and chat but I have a badminton game in 15mins. I'll catch up later. Enjoy #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:47
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@gilliand11 #wedns enjoy and play well |
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@gilliand11
28 June 2017 20:47
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@WeDistrictNurse standardised models would probably be the easy answer here but it's never going to be simple. #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:48
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Q8 Are we in agreement that prescribing assessor doesn't need to be a medic #wedns https://t.co/VDYUqVOB2w |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:49
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@WeDistrictNurse Yes absolutely lots of very experienced practitioners who regularly prescribe are not medics #WeDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:50
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RT @Helenakelly73: @WeDistrictNurse Yes absolutely lots of very experienced practitioners who regularly prescribe are not medics #WeDNs |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:50
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@WeDistrictNurse if it was me I'm not sure how I would feel if it wasn't a medic that was my 'mentor' #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:51
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#weDNs so more challenging Q - what about NQN being prescribing ready and doing V100 in first year or V300 after a… https://t.co/UVfcxKc6Em |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:54
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@erinfAPDN @WeDistrictNurse Pharmacists consult regularly and often first point of contact #wedns |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:55
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@Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse I do agree, no idea why i have apprehension about it? #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:56
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#wedns The final question - what are the challenges in implementing the new standards |
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@Helenakelly73
28 June 2017 20:56
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@erinfAPDN @WeDistrictNurse Great debating though! Enhances your critical mind ?? #wedns |
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@HeatherBain9
28 June 2017 20:57
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#wedns I think is what is important this is about nursing in the future - we have time to prepare https://t.co/pr0yIGJLYC |
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@erinfAPDN
28 June 2017 20:58
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@Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse I need to leave some critical juices for my essay haha #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
28 June 2017 20:59
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#wedns - any final comments? and thanks for joining |
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