#WeLDNs - Tuesday 2nd February 2021 8:30pm (GMT Standard Time) Transition - How do we support the move to adult services

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This week I watched Harvey and Me, such a touching and heartwarming film which really showed the bond between mother and son. It also raised a number of questions in my mind...

Do we have learning disability transition workers? Many years ago where I worked there was a transition team who worked with young people with LD from age 14 until they had settled in to adult services. We also started to introduce young people to adult respite services (for tea visits and activities) from age 16-17 depending on needs. This really supported a smooth transition and relationships were built before the young person actually needed to use the service  

How are we supporting families to find the right placements for their children? There are so many providers of education, respite, care packages and providers - choosing a placement must be an absolute minefield for parents. Watching Harvey and Me has really made me think about the working parents who may struggle for time to research and visit places. And then there is the funding to navigate... 

Has this changed during Covid? With more community services working from home, how are we supporting transition during this pandemic? How are we sharing information about services with parents? 

Could it not be a reasonable adjustment that principles of shared care are applied to support transition - I’m thinking health here, Harvey losing his consultant after 18yrs when his health needs are so complex must be a huge concern, in the advent of Teams meetings would it be possible for the paediatrician to continue to support his reviews?

So how can we promote a good transition? What does that look like and who needs to be involved? If you have experience of this or if you want to learn - then join us via #WeLDNs on Tuesday 2nd February to talk about it. 





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The Transition Blog

Following the Harvey and Me documentary team @WeLDNurses decided to talk about transition; a subject we have discussed previously, but really wanted to re-visit in the light of Harvey and Me.

We have had some experience of transition as parents and nurses and find the differences in areas and the availability and cost of services quite challenging to navigate. Currently it would appear that transition planning starts anywhere between 12-17years of age, and for some LD nursing teams they were handed people over once they were 18 with very little preparation. Should transition plans nationally standardised? Should every child with learning disabilities start transition planning at a certain age?

However as we always find, there were some examples of really good practice and proactive work with people who are transitioning to adult services.

For some community LD nurses are accessing special school reviews for children with LD and complex needs and joint working these cases alongside paediatricians and school providers. This enables some continuity of care and enables the learning disability team to take over from paediatric team once the person is over 18.

As with so many of our chats the locality of services is an issue for so many people with learning disabilities who may want local services to maintain family connections. But for many children and young people the specialist services they require do not exist locally. For some young people they are discharged from children’s services and no adult services exist in their area.

A fundamental consideration is for those children and young people who attend residential education, as this is often the precursor to long term residential care. Does this influence where people are placed? For example if a person from Rugby attends a residential school in Manchester, where will they end up residing? Would it be more appropriate for them to return closer to home, or rather to stay close to their peer group and in familiar areas?

How do parents find out about colleges? For some it is word of mouth and linking in with other parents who are in similar situations, this was illustrated in Harvey and Me – Katie Price met with parents who had already made the leap through transition to help her with her research into college provision. The chat ascertained that LDNs are not routinely involved in sourcing colleges or the decisions about which colleges would best meet the needs of the people in their care.

We were very lucky to be joined by some people with LD who had successfully transitioned to college and were being well supported in their new environment. Other contributors on the chat had experiences where college placements for people with more complex physical, health and/or behavioural needs were not so easy to access.

Transition plans can also present challenges, it was identified that the ‘Ready Steady Go’ plan had limited value for CYP who are unlikely to ever have capacity to manage their own health needs. This programme is the “Gold Standard” for transition for young people with long term health conditions in England, and links to Nice Guideline NG43 on Transition from Children’s to Adult’s for young people using Health or Social Services. Good practice was identified in the use of the Scottish Principles of good transitions(https://scottishtransitions.org.uk/7-principles-of-good-transitions/)  but experience of practioners didn’t always reflect the implementation of these principles.

Transitioning through health services is also an area of worry for many parents, one paediatrician becomes a number of specialist consultants and in some cases paediatricians are discharging patients at age 16 when adult services won’t pick them up until they are 18 – what happens during that 2 year gap?  During the chat we learned about hospice provision for children and young people with life limiting conditions. Hospice care in the adult arena is from age 18 upwards, this huge age span has implications for access as it is much wider than the 0-18yrs remit of children’s hospice care.

So what needs to happen, and where do we go? Some LDNs are going to local schools, school fairs andensuring they are aware of all the CYP coming through who will require adult services – should this be standard practice? Should transition nurses exist in every CLDT?

In reach work to introduce the CYP to adult services and support to develop relationships with them – who is best placed to deliver on this?

Would LD consultant role help bridge the gap between paediatrician and specialty consultants? Or could this role be provided by earlier allocation to a Community LD Nurse to support transition?

Do we need to further test and develop the ‘Ready Steady Go’ plan to ensure that young people with learning disabilities are able to plan for their transition to adult services?





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 #WeLDNs transcript

 
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:30
Good evening everyone and welcome to tonight’s chat about transition. Please say hello and give us a wave using #WeLDNs - do say hello even if you’re lurking tonight #statsmatter
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:30
@lynnewalsall Quick off the mark there Lynne, great to see you here tonight #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 February 2021 20:30
Hi all it’s Sal here in rainy Leicester #waves #WeLDNs
@florenceella
02 February 2021 20:31
@WeLDnurses Good evening! Flo here waving from Birmingham ???? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:31
@florenceella Hi Flo #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:31
Why Hello from soggy York! Not even going to pretend I am going to #lurk tonight... #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/WeLDnurses/status/1356701491889864704
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:32
@WeLDnurses Sam from a chilly Edinburgh! #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:32
@CharleeB3010 If you’re lurking make sure you’re a noisy lurker - they’re our favourite kind! #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:32
RT @WeLDnurses: @CharleeB3010 If you’re lurking make sure you’re a noisy lurker - they’re our favourite kind! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:33
@ClaireHowells10 Hi Claire #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:33
With all our chats, everyone is welcome and every opinion is valid, so please be kind and respect each other #AlwaysANurse #TweetKind #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:33
@WeLDnurses I'll just be a loud joineriner this evening #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:34
@CharleeB3010 Fab! #WeLDNs
@Vuyiswa72340752
02 February 2021 20:34
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs hi everyone. I am a nurse in care of the elderly but I am interested in tonight's topic.
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:34
@Vuyiswa72340752 You’re very welcome to join us #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:34
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs hi ! I’m lurking tonight... trying to multitask
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:35
Shall we get started then... #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:35
Whoops. Forgot to #weldns https://twitter.com/samabdulla/status/1356702732464365570
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:35
@SueMarsden6 We do love a lurker, but feel free to chip in at any point! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:36
Q1 - What age does transition start? 1a Do you have any experience of working with transition age CYP? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:36
RT @WeLDnurses: Q1 - What age does transition start? 1a Do you have any experience of working with transition age CYP? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:37
@samabdulla We see you ?? the naughty step if you keep forgetting! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:37
@HannahScrivene2 Hi Hannah - feel free to be a noisy lurker! #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:37
@WeLDnurses In Scotland it’s 14, but as soon as possible is best! However, we know that’s not always the case #weldns
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:37
For me / my service the transition into adult services at 14 when GPs start to do Annual Health Checks #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/WeLDnurses/status/1356703035368554497
@Vuyiswa72340752
02 February 2021 20:37
@WeLDnurses I am interested in this topic tonight because my grandson lives with learning disability and would like to know more about everything really.#WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:37
@WeLDnurses @KateEBradford and I have been working together for the last year or so with young people transitioning from Children’s hospice to adult services which has been an interesting challenge #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:38
See how we sneaked 2 questions in there... ?? #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/1356703035368554497
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:38
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses In Scotland it’s 14, but as soon as possible is best! However, we know that’s not always the case #weldns
@DeclanMunnelly
02 February 2021 20:38
@WeLDnurses Hi from a wet Durham #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:38
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs around the age of 14 yrs. But agree with sam it continues across the life span
@KerryStLDN
02 February 2021 20:38
@WeLDnurses Hello #WeLDNs ?? I'm also lurking!...
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:38
@WeLDnurses @KateEBradford We’ve started at 17 but that’s because my service is an adult service as there is limited capacity to pick up loads of younger children. It really does need longer!! #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 February 2021 20:39
Cheeky! Where I am it should start at 14... but often plans don’t really get formed until closer to 18 #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/1356703487325851655
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:39
Currently working in a school nursing team :) didn't read all the question #storyofmylife #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/CharleeB3010/status/1356703385794265091
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:39
#WeLDNs clever people :) https://twitter.com/WeLDnurses/status/1356703487325851655
@HannahScrivene2
02 February 2021 20:39
@WeLDnurses Is it once they are 16? ?? Only from attending a couple of transition meetings on a placement #weLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:39
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford This is a really interesting concept and something I’ve seen clinically, children with complex needs having to transition but nowhere to transition too #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:39
@CharleeB3010 And are GPS delivering health checks for 14yos? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:39
RT @CharleeB3010: For me / my service the transition into adult services at 14 when GPs start to do Annual Health Checks #WeLDNs https://t…
@AmyWixey
02 February 2021 20:40
@WeLDnurses Hello! Long day today! So I’m lurking #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:40
@SueMarsden6 @KateEBradford Can you tell us some more about this? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:40
RT @WeLDnurses: @CharleeB3010 And are GPS delivering health checks for 14yos? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:40
@DeclanMunnelly Hi Declan #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:40
@WeLDnurses If parents ask for them... #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:40
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford Absolutely! It’s really hard explaining to a parent that the nice cosy paeds hospice system doesn’t exist in the same way for life limited adults with complex needs and LD and don’t get me onto respite provision... #WeLDNs
@florenceella
02 February 2021 20:40
@WeLDnurses Depending on needs the ready steady go plan (what we use in my trust) can be started from age 12. I think the earlier the better to ensure smooth transition across services #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:41
Loving all the lurkers tonight - but do feel free to get involved and share your views any time #WeLDNs
@DeclanMunnelly
02 February 2021 20:41
@WeLDnurses As an adult service we have become involved when the young person is only months from turning 18! #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:41
@samabdulla @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford this terrifies me! that people are being dx to nowhere #WeLDNs
@Vuyiswa72340752
02 February 2021 20:41
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I think transition should start early at the age of 13-14 and continue until the young person reaches adulthood
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:41
@CharleeB3010 So you’re supporting the delivery of the health checks as part of your role? #WeLDNs
@florenceella
02 February 2021 20:42
@WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 They should be! #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:42
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford Especially as some of those kids have been going their since they were tiny little babies. Their other kids have grown up there too #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
02 February 2021 20:42
RT @WeLDnurses: Good evening everyone and welcome to tonight’s chat about transition. Please say hello and give us a wave using #WeLDNs - d…
@PaulaHopes1
02 February 2021 20:42
RT @WeLDnurses: Q1 - What age does transition start? 1a Do you have any experience of working with transition age CYP? #WeLDNs
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 20:42
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs As soon as decisions are made about residential education people are often on a journey towards permanent residential care. I think this needs to be thought about very carefully in terms of transition
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:42
RT @WeLDnurses: Loving all the lurkers tonight - but do feel free to get involved and share your views any time #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:42
@SueMarsden6 @samabdulla @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford it's hard because the life span is greater in pads is 0-18/19 and then adults is 19 until XX #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:42
@CharleeB3010 @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford It’s a very troubling idea #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:42
RT @DeclanMunnelly: @WeLDnurses As an adult service we have become involved when the young person is only months from turning 18! #WeLDNs
@PaulaHopes1
02 February 2021 20:42
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses In Scotland it’s 14, but as soon as possible is best! However, we know that’s not always the case #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:42
RT @CharleeB3010: @samabdulla @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford this terrifies me! that people are being dx to nowhere #WeLDNs
@PaulaHopes1
02 February 2021 20:43
RT @DeclanMunnelly: @WeLDnurses As an adult service we have become involved when the young person is only months from turning 18! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:43
RT @Vuyiswa72340752: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I think transition should start early at the age of 13-14 and continue until the young person reac…
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:43
RT @Vuyiswa72340752: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I think transition should start early at the age of 13-14 and continue until the young person reac…
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:43
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford That being said, I think part of our role in a persons transition is helping families see the good in the new! #weldns
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:43
@WeLDnurses @KateEBradford We have been identifying YP approaching 17 and working on adult care plans, hospital passports, links into adult services, EQUIPMENT issues (aarrgghhg) and generally bridging the gap until we have settled pathways in adult services. #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:43
RT @WeLDnurses: @CharleeB3010 So you’re supporting the delivery of the health checks as part of your role? #WeLDNs
@PaulaHopes1
02 February 2021 20:43
RT @samabdulla: Whoops. Forgot to #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:43
RT @Luke_DynamDeliv: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs As soon as decisions are made about residential education people are often on a journey towards pe…
@JoshHodgsonRNLD
02 February 2021 20:44
Awesome webinar, all our #MSc #Nursing @TeesUniSHLS students were on it and it really guided a lot of the debate and discussion during our seminar this afternoon. Nice to see you guys @PaulaHopes1 @JimmyJimrid @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/theRRNetwork/status/1356624638948876289
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:44
@WeLDnurses We aim to start our pathway at 14 but the process is lead by education and they can be slow at times. Despite it being a legal requirement to consider transition it often isn't a comprehensive exercise til later... I'm the transitions link in our CLDT #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:44
Really interesting point thanks @Luke_DynamDeliv how many children and young people with LD are attending residential schools? #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/luke_dynamdeliv/status/1356704573902254083
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:44
@WeLDnurses @KateEBradford If we get it right then we are able to then discharge some of those YP once their parents/carers are confident in accessing adult services. #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:44
RT @samabdulla: @CharleeB3010 @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford It’s a very troubling idea #weldns
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:44
@samabdulla @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford Makes me realise that I have lots to do to ensure that the CYP I dx are well armed to navigate the system #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:44
@WeLDnurses Hi I'm late to the party... #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:45
Q2 - When should transition work start, is 14 early enough? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:45
RT @WeLDnurses: Q2 - When should transition work start, is 14 early enough? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:45
@Ash_S_RNLD You’re very welcome to be here late or not! #WeLDNs
@HannahScrivene2
02 February 2021 20:46
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @samabdulla @KateEBradford Why do you think provision is so different between child and adult services? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:46
RT @WeLDnurses: Q2 - When should transition work start, is 14 early enough? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:46
@WeLDnurses If things work as they should, possibly, but when do things work as they should? #weldns
@florenceella
02 February 2021 20:46
@samabdulla @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford That’s a great point, also being honest and transparent about the differences and ensuring support is there through the whole journey #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:46
@KateEBradford @SueMarsden6 This sounds amazing, we’d be really interested to learn more about your work - maybe you could help @salsa442 with the post chat blog? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:46
#weldns https://twitter.com/kateebradford/status/1356705524516085763
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:47
@WeLDnurses In an ideal world I wonder if it should be flexible and depend on the needs of each person #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:47
@samabdulla And should it be able to be flexible depending on individual needs? #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:47
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @samabdulla @KateEBradford The lack of hospice care is a nightmare, I was fortunate in my first post to work with a family to basically tailor make hospice type care. The parents were great but had always expected their child wouldn't transition to adult services #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:47
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs perhaps the journey should begin at the age the child goes to school - so that the right direct can be forged
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:47
@HannahScrivene2 @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford Finance is a big part of it #weldns
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 20:47
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I don't know numbers but it is certainly a key issue for adult services wherever I have worked. I think we need to think carefully about whether there are other ways of supporting children and families to stay connected and in their local area
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:48
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses If things work as they should, possibly, but when do things work as they should? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:48
Now this is a fab question - any thoughts? #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/hannahscrivene2/status/1356705460309655553
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:48
RT @samabdulla: #weldns https://twitter.com/kateebradford/status/1356705524516085763
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:48
@CharleeB3010 @SueMarsden6 @samabdulla @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford With the hospice side of things ours take up til 21 so it's an additional transition after leaving school #WeLDNs
@kellyjframe
02 February 2021 20:48
Hi everyone, sorry I’m late! Just catching up! #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:48
RT @CharleeB3010: @WeLDnurses In an ideal world I wonder if it should be flexible and depend on the needs of each person #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:49
@WeLDnurses funding means that it needs to be different. Pots of cash change between different age groups #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:49
RT @samabdulla: @HannahScrivene2 @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford Finance is a big part of it #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:49
RT @Luke_DynamDeliv: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I don't know numbers but it is certainly a key issue for adult services wherever I have worked. I…
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:49
RT @Luke_DynamDeliv: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I don't know numbers but it is certainly a key issue for adult services wherever I have worked. I…
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:49
@Luke_DynamDeliv Really like this train of thought a lot #WeLDNs
@chloe__nichole
02 February 2021 20:49
@WeLDnurses Hello everyone ?? #WeLDNs just observing this evening!
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:50
RT @CharleeB3010: @WeLDnurses funding means that it needs to be different. Pots of cash change between different age groups #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:50
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs .. not sure . For some of the very complex LD kids in hospice care there is a very different set of resources and the demand on adults hospice is much greater so they can’t take on all these YP.
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:50
#weLDNs https://twitter.com/kateebradford/status/1356706439587368961
@RhiRNLD
02 February 2021 20:50
@WeLDnurses I think it should be adjusted depending on the individual; some people may need a longer period of slow transition, whereas others and their families may find years of transition stressful. #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:50
@Ash_S_RNLD @SueMarsden6 @samabdulla @WeLDnurses @KateEBradford But not all services do within our service the different services dx at 18, 19 and then the latest is 20/21 is causes it to be messy #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:50
Q3 - How do we support parents to choose colleges for CYP with LD? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:50
RT @SueMarsden6: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs .. not sure . For some of the very complex LD kids in hospice care there is a very different set of re…
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:51
@WeLDnurses @Luke_DynamDeliv Think it varies area to area, I see maybe 2 ASN residential school placements a year for our whole council area and that includes non LD #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:51
@SueMarsden6 Should there be hospice provision for younger adults? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:51
RT @WeLDnurses: Q3 - How do we support parents to choose colleges for CYP with LD? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:51
RT @WeLDnurses: Q3 - How do we support parents to choose colleges for CYP with LD? #WeLDNs
@KateEBradford
02 February 2021 20:51
@SueMarsden6 @samabdulla @WeLDnurses Perfectly said - let's build the bridge #weldns
@PaulaHopes1
02 February 2021 20:52
@nz_stevewilson @DeclanMunnelly @WeLDnurses Sad to say the same #weldns however in the past I know there has been much more positive planning & preparation for transition
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:52
#weldns https://twitter.com/debpsomerset/status/1356706891880095751
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:52
RT @WeLDnurses: @SueMarsden6 Should there be hospice provision for younger adults? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:52
#WeLDNs - use it in every tweet so we can all see your fabulousness @SueMarsden6 https://twitter.com/suemarsden6/status/1356706755103887363
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:52
@KateEBradford @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses I love this #weldns
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 20:52
@WeLDnurses #weldns We are thinking carefully about how we can move towards a different model. I am sure that some of the excellent education providers can help to provide a more community based model
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:53
@WeLDnurses @SueMarsden6 #WeLDNs yes totally and hospice care should be properly funded and not have to rely on charity monies
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:53
RT @Luke_DynamDeliv: @WeLDnurses #weldns We are thinking carefully about how we can move towards a different model. I am sure that some of…
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:53
RT @PaulaHopes1: @nz_stevewilson @DeclanMunnelly @WeLDnurses Sad to say the same #weldns however in the past I know there has been much mor…
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:54
RT @samabdulla: #weldns https://twitter.com/debpsomerset/status/1356706891880095751
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:54
@WeLDnurses We have people on the radar from 14 and review annually with school for the person's plans most stay on til 18 because of finding so anyone with complex health needs the team picks up a year to 6 months early to joint work with paeds #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:54
@lynnewalsall @WeLDnurses @SueMarsden6 As an avid charity doer, I hate that it has to exist. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:54
Q4 - Is there local knowledge of what colleges exist and what services and specialist interventions they provide for young people with LD? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:54
RT @WeLDnurses: #WeLDNs - use it in every tweet so we can all see your fabulousness @SueMarsden6 https://twitter.com/suemarsden6/status/1356706755103887363
@chloe__nichole
02 February 2021 20:54
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs whatever is appropriate for the individual, the benefits of transition work are clear and reduce future distress. And if 14 is the right age for that person then why not! It is a very big change in their life and we should help support and prepare them as much as we can??
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:54
RT @lynnewalsall: @WeLDnurses @SueMarsden6 #WeLDNs yes totally and hospice care should be properly funded and not have to rely on charity m…
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:54
RT @Luke_DynamDeliv: @WeLDnurses #weldns We are thinking carefully about how we can move towards a different model. I am sure that some of…
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:55
@WeLDnurses Services are still best advertised and learned about from people who use them #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:55
RT @samabdulla: @lynnewalsall @WeLDnurses @SueMarsden6 As an avid charity doer, I hate that it has to exist. #weldns
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:55
@HannahScrivene2 @WeLDnurses @samabdulla @KateEBradford #WeLDNs the lack of one named consultant is a big anxiety for a lot of parents.
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:55
@WeLDnurses They then leave at the end of their 6th year of secondary and either continue joint working with paeds or we take the lead depending on age and needs #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:55
RT @chloe__nichole: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs whatever is appropriate for the individual, the benefits of transition work are clear and reduce fu…
@salsa442
02 February 2021 20:55
I found this really difficult to navigate as a parent and a professional - so many independent providers it’s hard to know what’s best #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/1356707570757558274
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:56
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses Services are still best advertised and learned about from people who use them #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:56
RT @SueMarsden6: @HannahScrivene2 @WeLDnurses @samabdulla @KateEBradford #WeLDNs the lack of one named consultant is a big anxiety for a lo…
@florenceella
02 February 2021 20:56
@WeLDnurses Again that’s something that often depends on funding from the local authority - like we saw on the #harveyandme programme #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:56
@WeLDnurses The sad reason is money... Children's services have an end point whereas adults is more lengthy #WeLDNs
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 20:56
@WeLDnurses I found the BBC documentary with Harvey and Katie Price really fascinating. Meeting people's complex needs in local areas can be very tricky #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:57
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses Services are still best advertised and learned about from people who use them #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:57
RT @Ash_S_RNLD: @WeLDnurses The sad reason is money... Children's services have an end point whereas adults is more lengthy #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:57
@florenceella It always comes back to the money right? #WeLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 20:57
@RhiannonJames22 @WeLDnurses Transition should be tailored to individual needs #weLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:57
@WeLDnurses @florenceella #WeLDNs sadly true
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:58
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses word of mouth / experience is a really good way of finding services #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:58
@WeLDnurses As a nurse I can honestly say I can count on zero fingers the times I’ve been involved in finding/ deciding about college for someone! #Weldns
@florenceella
02 February 2021 20:58
@WeLDnurses Unfortunately it seems so! #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 20:58
RT @stuandmattmcd: @RhiannonJames22 @WeLDnurses Transition should be tailored to individual needs #weLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:58
We thought this too, when services need to be specialist enough to meet complex health and behavioural needs, how can we also ensure they are local and community based? #WeLDNs #harveyandme https://twitter.com/luke_dynamdeliv/status/1356708170022985729
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 20:58
@c_mcdonald3 @WeLDnurses @ARCScot The @ARCScot resources are excellent, I went to a workshop they ran a few years ago and it was really helpful #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 20:58
@CharleeB3010 @WeLDnurses I’ve just said something similar, which then made me really sad that it’s so dependant on who you know who knows what! #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 20:59
@CharleeB3010 @samabdulla But is it enough? Do we need service directories? Prospectuses that can be shared widely? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 20:59
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses Yeah it's not filling me with the usual warm and fuzzies tonight thinking about where all my wee ones will be going when they leave #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 20:59
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs it’s so hard because really the numbers are tiny (in real world numbers) and hard to make bespoke provision cost effective.
@KateEBradford
02 February 2021 20:59
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses Occasionally in their last EHCP but the actual provision is so sparse - especially for the YP with more intense medical needs #weLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 20:59
@WeLDnurses We have #fragilex syndrome where we live @BordersCollege we’re extremely supportive of us. Please get in touch with us or dad he will happily speak to anyone about this and share personal experiences of what it means for us #weLdns
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:00
@Ash_S_RNLD @c_mcdonald3 @WeLDnurses @ARCScot These are what we use to underpin what we teach https://scottishtransitions.org.uk/7-principles-of-good-transitions/ #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:00
Is this a theme for others? If so is it something we need to consider adding to our role? #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/suemarsden6/status/1356708511925829634
@ClaireHowells10
02 February 2021 21:00
@WeLDnurses @florenceella It shouldn’t come down to money. But most of the time it does unfortunately. #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:00
@WeLDnurses @samabdulla that's depending on people preparing the info then producing them, which costs money they don't have #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:01
@CharleeB3010 @WeLDnurses There is always hope, my boyfriend was a transitions social worker and they uncovered some BRILLIANT places #weldns
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:01
@WeLDnurses From a Scottish perspective it's really limited, there are the ASN courses at local colleges teaching life skills but students need to be pretty independent. As far as I know there's nothing for people with more complex needs where FE carries on #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:01
Love this - thank you @stuandmattmcd #WeLDNs #ExpertsByExperience https://twitter.com/stuandmattmcd/status/1356708964767997953
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:02
@KateEBradford @DebPsomerset @HannahScrivene2 @WeLDnurses @samabdulla The services are (mostly) out there.. but as ever only if you already know about them which is where the joint knowledge between us worked so well.. none of us can do what we do alone!! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:02
Upskilling local staff - who’s best placed to deliver on this? #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/luke_dynamdeliv/status/1356709333141184519
@Vuyiswa72340752
02 February 2021 21:02
@WeLDnurses families should be made aware of local organisations where they can get more information and be supported through the transition period.#WeLDNs
@florenceella
02 February 2021 21:02
@WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 @samabdulla The other thing to consider is if there is enough places / enough services to offer within that area? #WeLDNs
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:02
@WeLDnurses Sorry forgot the tag #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:02
@RhiannonJames22 @WeLDnurses Should always be tailored but in reality I know that's not the case for a multitude of reasons #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:02
@Luke_DynamDeliv You’re forgiven - this time ?? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:03
Q5 - How can LDNs work more closely with colleges and paediatricians to facilitate transition? #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:03
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs actually I just lied..... I can count on 2 fingers because of two YP I met via Kate!!!
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:03
@WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 I think so, if we could especially when we know how hard it can be for parents to do this #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:03
RT @WeLDnurses: @CharleeB3010 @samabdulla But is it enough? Do we need service directories? Prospectuses that can be shared widely? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:03
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses Yeah and the places I work with are great but the PMLD world is such a battle it's hard to think that up to 18 they at least have nurses on site to support then they get dx where care becomes episodic, it's like sending them to battle #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:03
RT @WeLDnurses: Q5 - How can LDNs work more closely with colleges and paediatricians to facilitate transition? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:04
#WeLDNs https://twitter.com/stuandmattmcd/status/1356709900248895489
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:04
@WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 @samabdulla #WeLDNs yes to this - everything should be open and transparent plus in terms so everyone can understand
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:04
RT @SueMarsden6: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs it’s so hard because really the numbers are tiny (in real world numbers) and hard to make bespoke prov…
@KateEBradford
02 February 2021 21:04
@SueMarsden6 @DebPsomerset @HannahScrivene2 @WeLDnurses @samabdulla Absolutely, I'd have been SO lost without you! For really smooth transition you need someone who knows both and can tap into the absolute treasures Sue has found - and someone who knows what parents are used to on paed-land and can therefore anticipate their worries. #weLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:04
@lynnewalsall @CharleeB3010 @samabdulla We think so too Lyne #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:05
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs we need to know about them. Before they hit 18 and their paediatrician has already discharged them, or their supplies are no longer ordered by the paeds nurses, and absolutely before the first time they are blue lighted to Adult ED!!
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:05
@lynnewalsall @WeLDnurses @samabdulla Should definitely be #coproduced #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:05
@WeLDnurses An approach similar to CPA would be great, enshrine the responsibilities of professionals, real timelines, accountable to something #weldns
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:05
@lynnewalsall @WeLDnurses @florenceella Yes, a lot of authorities just don't have the money to support education ?? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:05
@stuandmattmcd @WeLDnurses @BordersCollege #WeLDNs Stu & Matt that is great to hear
@florenceella
02 February 2021 21:05
@WeLDnurses Be visible, provide support, attend open days/ information days #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:05
@Amy_5haw Hi Amy - we can’t retweet you as you’re account is set to private, so please make sure you use #WeLDNs in every tweet so all the other chatters can see what you’re saying? ????
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:06
@samabdulla @Ash_S_RNLD @c_mcdonald3 @WeLDnurses @ARCScot #WeLDNs good share Sam
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:06
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses That's a fab idea to use that structure! #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:06
@WeLDnurses We’re supposed to use the “ready steady go” transition plan but IME this does not work for complex YP esp those never likely to have capacity to manage their health needs. #WELDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:06
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses As a CLDN we used to have regular CYP meetings with school nurses and CAMHS to start developing relationships before the transition. #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:06
RT @WeLDnurses: Is this a theme for others? If so is it something we need to consider adding to our role? #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/suemarsden6/status/1356708511925829634
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:06
RT @ClaireHowells10: @WeLDnurses @florenceella It shouldn’t come down to money. But most of the time it does unfortunately. #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:06
RT @florenceella: @WeLDnurses Be visible, provide support, attend open days/ information days #WeLDNs
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:06
@WeLDnurses I think that the CTLDs are in a really good place to spread knowledge. There are also some fab National experts teachers and excellent materials. #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:07
RT @WeLDnurses: Love this - thank you @stuandmattmcd #WeLDNs #ExpertsByExperience https://twitter.com/stuandmattmcd/status/1356708964767997953
@jojohn2104
02 February 2021 21:07
@WeLDnurses #weldns I’ve been interested in looking at specific liaison roles to work alongside paediatric services
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:07
@KateEBradford @DebPsomerset @HannahScrivene2 @WeLDnurses @samabdulla #WeLDNs I’m polishing my halo... I’ll pay you later Kate! ??
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:07
RT @WeLDnurses: Upskilling local staff - who’s best placed to deliver on this? #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/luke_dynamdeliv/status/1356709333141184519
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:07
@SueMarsden6 Is there an alternative to this type of plan? #WeLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:08
@KateEBradford @WeLDnurses @SueMarsden6 @DebPsomerset @HannahScrivene2 @samabdulla Our dad is a parent. He and we have some amazing insight about transition - hands on personal experience based on real life #weLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:08
RT @WeLDnurses: Q5 - How can LDNs work more closely with colleges and paediatricians to facilitate transition? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:08
RT @WeLDnurses: #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/stuandmattmcd/status/1356709900248895489
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:09
RT @CharleeB3010: @lynnewalsall @WeLDnurses @samabdulla Should definitely be #coproduced #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:09
RT @SueMarsden6: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs we need to know about them. Before they hit 18 and their paediatrician has already discharged them, or…
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:09
In our experience it’s patchy, some trusts have transition nurses and some don’t #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/debpsomerset/status/1356710865643466752
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:09
@Luke_DynamDeliv @WeLDnurses Should speak directly to families. They have greatest insight #weLDNS
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:09
RT @Ash_S_RNLD: @lynnewalsall @WeLDnurses @florenceella Yes, a lot of authorities just don't have the money to support education ?? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:09
RT @florenceella: @WeLDnurses Be visible, provide support, attend open days/ information days #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:09
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs not that we have found. “Ready steady go” is supposed to be “the one” so there’s clear expectations across NHS trusts...
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:09
Q6 - If a parent or professional has found the right college but there’s no funding available, or the perfect college is too far from home what are the options and how can we support? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:10
Disparity across trusts health boards in available services is a nightmare #weldns https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/1356711305395261442
@jojohn2104
02 February 2021 21:10
@WeLDnurses Late lurker! #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:10
@SueMarsden6 Hmmm, maybe it’s time we made a change here... #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:10
RT @samabdulla: Disparity across trusts health boards in available services is a nightmare #weldns
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:10
@WeLDnurses What’s a transition nurse? Never met one ever but sounds good @NHSBorders ?? #weLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:10
@WeLDnurses Our transition pathway identifies almost all the YP and anyone with health needs and LD is identified, my former colleague would then give paeds or camhs a nudge to get them referred over at the right time but I now link with the paeds nurse to chase up #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:10
RT @jojohn2104: @WeLDnurses #weldns I’ve been interested in looking at specific liaison roles to work alongside paediatric services
@kellyjframe
02 February 2021 21:10
I have just been successful in obtaining an ld acute liaison practitioner role and this is an area I am keen to work on. Built relationships with children & adult acute services...to #buildthebridge and have more person centres transitioning #WELDNS
@florenceella
02 February 2021 21:10
@stuandmattmcd @Luke_DynamDeliv @WeLDnurses This is so important! #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:10
@jojohn2104 @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs great idea
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:11
@WeLDnurses Interestingly, there is a proficiency in the new standard around developing cases, maybe that will help! #weldns
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:11
@WeLDnurses @SueMarsden6 I've not heard of that, is it easy to find online? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:11
@WeLDnurses I suppose that's where empowering people to make those choices might come in to play #WeLDNs
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:11
@stuandmattmcd @WeLDnurses Agree really important to liaise closely with the person and their families. #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:11
RT @WeLDnurses: In our experience it’s patchy, some trusts have transition nurses and some don’t #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/debpsomerset/status/1356710865643466752
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:11
@kellyjframe Would expect nothing less from a Queens Nurse #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:11
RT @stuandmattmcd: @Luke_DynamDeliv @WeLDnurses Should speak directly to families. They have greatest insight #weLDNS
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:11
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses Interestingly, there is a proficiency in the new standard around developing cases, maybe that will help! #weldns
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:12
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs funny you should say that. Prior to some damn pandemic our MDT was booked to have a stand at the local LD Schools transition “fair” (?!) .. we had to invite ourselves...
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:12
RT @samabdulla: Disparity across trusts health boards in available services is a nightmare #weldns https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/1356711305395261442
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:12
@jimmyteeeeee We’re still going and the transcript will be posted soon after the chat finishes so you can easily catch up #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:12
RT @stuandmattmcd: @WeLDnurses What’s a transition nurse? Never met one ever but sounds good @NHSBorders ?? #weLDNs
@jojohn2104
02 February 2021 21:12
@WeLDnurses 14 seems to be the agreed optimum age but usually only happens then for those with the most complex needs. #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:13
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses That would be great for formalising some of my complex cases but unfortunately don't think I'd get the buy in from acute services ?? #WeLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:13
@florenceella @Luke_DynamDeliv @WeLDnurses Follow us for real life experience of living with #LearningDisability #fragilexawareness raising awareness so important #weLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:13
@SueMarsden6 @samabdulla @WeLDnurses That sounds like a good idea - it could be a virtual thing which would keep costing low #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:13
@Ash_S_RNLD @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs https://www.nice.org.uk/sharedlearning/implementing-transition-care-locally-and-nationally-using-the-ready-steady-go-programme
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:13
@stuandmattmcd @WeLDnurses @NHSBorders #WeLDNs Both its a nurse who supports the child and family as they move into adult services
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:13
@Ash_S_RNLD @WeLDnurses The perennial problem #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:14
@kellyjframe #WeLDNs excellent sounds exciting
@HannahScrivene2
02 February 2021 21:14
@Luke_DynamDeliv @WeLDnurses I started out as a support worker and never knew Learning Disability Nursing existed until a year or so before i started it as a Masters! I agree...i think we need to promote our profession to those already in supporting roles #weLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:14
@CharleeB3010 @SueMarsden6 @samabdulla A virtual transition fair sounds like a very interesting idea #WeLDNs must keep thinking outside the box to continue to deliver during Covid
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:14
@kellyjframe @QNI_Scotland #weldns https://t.co/1FC59GaIuU
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:14
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses Interestingly, there is a proficiency in the new standard around developing cases, maybe that will help! #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:14
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs worth considering Sam
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:14
@WeLDnurses I think that there needs to be more people involved in transition (not just one or two in each service). Such important decisions being made at this time. #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:14
RT @CharleeB3010: @WeLDnurses I suppose that's where empowering people to make those choices might come in to play #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:15
@WeLDnurses @SueMarsden6 @samabdulla what's a box? ?? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:15
Q8 - Has anyone experienced difficulty in the transition of medical responsibility from children to adult services? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:15
RT @WeLDnurses: Q8 - Has anyone experienced difficulty in the transition of medical responsibility from children to adult services? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:15
RT @SueMarsden6: @samabdulla @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs funny you should say that. Prior to some damn pandemic our MDT was booked to have a stand…
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:15
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses It’s a business case that needs to be made... we could easily have given someone to this role 2-3 days a week. #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:15
@samabdulla @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses I've found going into our local schools to be more successful, I know all the YP coming through in the next 2-3 years, I get invited to all the reviews and copied in to minutes so I'm up to speed before they get referred #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:15
@WeLDnurses Yes, it can be very tricky #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:16
RT @WeLDnurses: Q8 - Has anyone experienced difficulty in the transition of medical responsibility from children to adult services? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:16
RT @WeLDnurses: @CharleeB3010 @SueMarsden6 @samabdulla A virtual transition fair sounds like a very interesting idea #WeLDNs must keep thin…
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:16
RT @SueMarsden6: @Ash_S_RNLD @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs https://www.nice.org.uk/sharedlearning/implementing-transition-care-locally-and-nationally-using-the-ready-steady-go-programme
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:16
@SueMarsden6 @Ash_S_RNLD @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs thank you for sharing
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:16
@CharleeB3010 Do you find that in adult services often the person has to navigate several specialty consultants as opposed to one paediatrician? #WeLDNs
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:17
@Ash_S_RNLD @WeLDnurses @samabdulla @SueMarsden6 That is such an excellent model. #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:17
@WeLDnurses Anecdotally yes, consultants not wanting to “let people go”, or the service just not existing #weldns
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:17
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs yes. Adult consultants just can’t take on board some of the complexity... and their caseloads age range 18-100 so it’s really hard to get the time our YP need
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:17
RT @WeLDnurses: @CharleeB3010 @SueMarsden6 @samabdulla A virtual transition fair sounds like a very interesting idea #WeLDNs must keep thin…
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:17
@Luke_DynamDeliv @Ash_S_RNLD @samabdulla @SueMarsden6 We like this a lot too #WeLDNs
@florenceella
02 February 2021 21:17
@WeLDnurses We have a great transition nurse within our service who works with the CYP to ensure it’s as smooth and difficulty free as possible! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:17
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses Anecdotally yes, consultants not wanting to “let people go”, or the service just not existing #weldns
@jojohn2104
02 February 2021 21:17
@WeLDnurses This is often a difficult area. Residential colleges are often out of the home area and don’t always provide much more than the local services could with support and adjustments. Wonder if ALN will make it easier to access FE from home #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:18
RT @WeLDnurses: Q8 - Has anyone experienced difficulty in the transition of medical responsibility from children to adult services? #WeLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:18
@WeLDnurses Dad says @ARCScot are looking at piloting something to do with transition guidelines covering a range of stuff, including medical issues. Maybe try to speak to Tracey tomorrow as could share insight???? all helps people like us in our day to day lives #weLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:18
RT @SueMarsden6: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs yes. Adult consultants just can’t take on board some of the complexity... and their caseloads age rang…
@ClaireHowells10
02 February 2021 21:18
RT @SueMarsden6: @Ash_S_RNLD @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs https://www.nice.org.uk/sharedlearning/implementing-transition-care-locally-and-nationally-using-the-ready-steady-go-programme
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:18
@WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 #WeLDNs yes, and that causes a lot of anxiety, lots of repeat “story telling” for exhausted parents.
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:19
RT @SueMarsden6: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs yes. Adult consultants just can’t take on board some of the complexity... and their caseloads age rang…
@SENDcrisisHack
02 February 2021 21:19
RT @WeLDnurses: Q8 - Has anyone experienced difficulty in the transition of medical responsibility from children to adult services? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:19
@WeLDnurses Erm, difficulties on both sides but the lack of paediatrician to coordinate doesn't help but there are other obstacles too around who is responsible when/where handover of care should take place etc #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:19
#WeLDNs - is this a theme? One paediatrician becomes several adult specialty consultants? Is there anything we can do to help people navigate through the adult health system? https://twitter.com/debpsomerset/status/1356713471220588549
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:19
@stuandmattmcd @WeLDnurses @ARCScot Brilliant! #weldns
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:19
@samabdulla @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses We have a very robust hscp pathway that we try to make as gold standard as possible but most of it has come down to building good relationships with the schools as they are key to the discussions starting. It's not perfect but it's getting closer #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:20
@Ash_S_RNLD @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses Would you be happy to share that? #weldns
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:20
@florenceella @WeLDnurses There are such good models. I get very frustrated that we can't franchise the best approaches so that everybody gets the best support. #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:20
RT @SueMarsden6: @WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 #WeLDNs yes, and that causes a lot of anxiety, lots of repeat “story telling” for exhausted pare…
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:20
@Ash_S_RNLD @samabdulla @WeLDnurses Sounds like you’re doing brilliantly! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:20
@DebPsomerset We just want everyone to be able to read your fab tweets! #WeLDNs
@DeclanMunnelly
02 February 2021 21:20
@WeLDnurses In-reach work with young people to develop trusting therapeutic relationships with Adult services. Staff to embrace this and work with external services despite their own anxieties in respect to the impact new faces may have on the person. Attachment from both parties? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:20
RT @WeLDnurses: #WeLDNs - is this a theme? One paediatrician becomes several adult specialty consultants? Is there anything we can do to he…
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:21
@WeLDnurses this is not necessarily my experience but I can see why people would find it hard to navigate #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:21
@SueMarsden6 @samabdulla @WeLDnurses One Giant Leap do local transition fairs up here, but yeah I kinda forced my way into getting a table the first year... And I did some parents nights too #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:21
@CharleeB3010 @WeLDnurses I remember some chat about a learning disabilities consultant some time ago, but frankly, that could be a good well placed RNLD #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:21
RT @CharleeB3010: @WeLDnurses this is not necessarily my experience but I can see why people would find it hard to navigate #WeLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:21
@DebPsomerset @WeLDnurses And a general lack of awareness of how to deal with #LearningDisability and what differences in support needs it brings #weLDNs everyone is different not all disabilities are visible
@kellyjframe
02 February 2021 21:22
@SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 #weldns Yes! Exhausted parents who feel abandoned by children’s services & feel like they are starting all over again!
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:22
Q9 - NEARLY THE LAST QUESTION ?? What would you like to see happening in transition planning going forwards? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:22
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses Yeah but CLDTs do episodic care and transitions don't count as part of that in my so far limited experience #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:23
@stuandmattmcd @DebPsomerset @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs very true
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:23
@DebPsomerset That’s an interesting insight #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:23
@WeLDnurses So many times yes! Boundaries being crossed, exceptions being made or referrals not being done at the right time despite prompting... #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:23
RT @kellyjframe: @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 #weldns Yes! Exhausted parents who feel abandoned by children’s services & feel lik…
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:23
RT @WeLDnurses: Q9 - NEARLY THE LAST QUESTION ?? What would you like to see happening in transition planning going forwards? #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:23
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 I agree, transition sort of slots in with the “MyHealthNavigator” process we’re already using with some of our adults #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:23
@kellyjframe @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses yeah and that is where poor handovers come to light. #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:23
@CharleeB3010 @WeLDnurses I think that depends where we are, it was something I was part of for people, buts that’s because we were a life long service #weldns
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:23
RT @WeLDnurses: Q9 - NEARLY THE LAST QUESTION ?? What would you like to see happening in transition planning going forwards? #WeLDNs
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:24
@WeLDnurses More of it! #WeLDNs
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:24
@WeLDnurses Early, thoughtful, evidence based, creative and person centred. #WeLDNs
@jojohn2104
02 February 2021 21:24
@WeLDnurses It’s something that I’ve heard families say they find frustrating. Also wonder why their offspring suddenly needs a psychiatrist. LD nurses could provide more of a bridge. A recent audit we did also showed that we didn’t share enough info re adult services to prepare #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:24
RT @CharleeB3010: @kellyjframe @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses yeah and that is where poor handovers come to light. #WeLDNs
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:24
@WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 Yup! Or even worse multiple health boards where systems and processes don't align #WeLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:24
Sorry #weLDNs ?????? https://twitter.com/stuandmattmcd/status/1356715045426786304
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:24
@WeLDnurses excellent co-ordination that starts early and carries on! #weldns
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:24
@samabdulla @WeLDnurses yeah they don't exist anymore where I am #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:24
RT @Luke_DynamDeliv: @WeLDnurses Early, thoughtful, evidence based, creative and person centred. #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:24
RT @Luke_DynamDeliv: @WeLDnurses Early, thoughtful, evidence based, creative and person centred. #WeLDNs
@jojohn2104
02 February 2021 21:25
@WeLDnurses One LD service = no transition! #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:25
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses excellent co-ordination that starts early and carries on! #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:25
RT @jojohn2104: @WeLDnurses One LD service = no transition! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:26
Wow, that was the fastest hour! Thank you so much to everyone who has contributed, last question now... What will you take away from this chat? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:26
@WeLDnurses it actually happening effectively not being left to education SW to sort out, for it to be an entire round table MDT CPA type approach #WeLDNs
@RhiRNLD
02 February 2021 21:26
@WeLDnurses I've seen some difficulties for YP in ASD diagnosic services, with YP who have been on the waiting list for 1-2 years turning 18 whilst waiting and then going to the bottom of the adult waiting list #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:27
We really like this a lot, using existing frameworks with minor adaptation for our CYP #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/CharleeB3010/status/1356715657379856389
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:27
That every time I say I’m lurking... I get roped in!! #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/weldnurses/status/1356715528635711490
@Ash_S_RNLD
02 February 2021 21:27
@samabdulla @SueMarsden6 @WeLDnurses I certainly can for those that are interested #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:27
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs thank you for a fabulous chat expertly hosted. Learnt so much :)
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:27
Oops #weLDNs https://twitter.com/stuandmattmcd/status/1356715743639961605
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:27
RT @WeLDnurses: We really like this a lot, using existing frameworks with minor adaptation for our CYP #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/CharleeB3010/status/1356715657379856389
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:28
@WeLDnurses I stole it from @samabdulla #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:28
#WeLDNs https://twitter.com/DebPsomerset/status/1356715836904505345
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:28
RT @stuandmattmcd: Oops #weLDNs https://twitter.com/stuandmattmcd/status/1356715743639961605
@SueMarsden6
02 February 2021 21:28
@WeLDnurses #weLDNs, it does need a proper look, and a concerted review of the current framework, alongside good practice examples
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:28
@stuandmattmcd @WeLDnurses @CharleeB3010 You’re right sorry. A few years ago there was the idea that a doctor could have a speciality in learning disability, but I think that co-ordination could be done by a learning disability nurse #weldns
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:28
RT @WeLDnurses: #WeLDNs https://twitter.com/DebPsomerset/status/1356715836904505345
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:28
@SueMarsden6 You’re our favourite type of lurker Sue ?? #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:28
RT @SueMarsden6: @WeLDnurses #weLDNs, it does need a proper look, and a concerted review of the current framework, alongside good practice…
@samabdulla
02 February 2021 21:28
@CharleeB3010 @WeLDnurses Sources and adapted #weldns
@Luke_DynamDeliv
02 February 2021 21:29
@WeLDnurses We have set this as one of our 8 key priorities. Great to hear that people are tacklng it thoughtfully and determined to improve outcomes for and with people. Thank you very much. #WeLDNs
@jojohn2104
02 February 2021 21:29
@WeLDnurses Motivated to look at ways we can provide all age services #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 February 2021 21:29
@lynnewalsall Thanks Lynne - amazing support from you as always ???? #WeLDNs
@CharleeB3010
02 February 2021 21:29
@samabdulla @stuandmattmcd @WeLDnurses perhaps it needs to be E-by-E led #WeLDNs
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:29
RT @jojohn2104: @WeLDnurses Motivated to look at ways we can provide all age services #WeLDNs
@stuandmattmcd
02 February 2021 21:29
@WeLDnurses The need to be heard, understood and properly supported #weLDNs as individuals with #LearningDisability and not everyone talking around us, about us, or for us. Thank you please contact our dad if you want more insight or other awesome parents like him @SteveJHarris @Edelharris
@lynnewalsall
02 February 2021 21:29
RT @CharleeB3010: @samabdulla @stuandmattmcd @WeLDnurses perhaps it needs to be E-by-E led #WeLDNs




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