#WeNurses - Tuesday 9th March 2021 8pm (GMT Standard Time) Do models have a place in nursing?

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From Florence Nightingale, to Virginia Henderson and from Roper, Logan and Tierney to Orem, models have always featured in nursing … but how do they impact on nursing practice?  And how strongly do they feature in your education? Chapman (2018) states “Nursing models are often promoted as a way of advancing nursing science or leading to a more coherent view of nursing. However, the purpose of any model is to most accurately reflect reality in a way that enables us to: 

    

•Understand it;

•Act upon it with predictable outcomes. The multiplicity of nursing models reflects:

•Different views of the person;

•The society they live in;

•Their health and wellbeing (or ill health);

•The goals, role and functions of the nurse.”


It seems very straightforward when put like this. We’d like this chat to explore how students are introduced to models and how they are helped to recognise where, and which models are used in practice - and indeed, to know  when models are not used. Does knowing about different models of nursing help us to provide better nursing care ? 

    

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  • How are you taught about models of nursing - in the classroom and in practice?
  • Is there a model of nursing that you identify with / favour for your practice? If so why? 
  • Are models of nursing reflected in your experience of nursing practice? AND if so are they clearly outlined or are they inferred? 
  • In your experience, has using a specific model of nursing helped you to better understand how patient’s care is decided and managed? Can you say why? Or why not?





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@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:01
Hey everyone ! Welcome to tonights #WeNurses tweetchat This evenings topic is around models in nursing .... please say hi if you are joining us and please share any first thoughts you may have :) https://t.co/tYy8OgYMl4
@dmarsden49
09 March 2021 20:03
RT @WeNurses: Hey everyone ! Welcome to tonights #WeNurses tweetchat This evenings topic is around models in nursing .... please say hi…
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:03
@WeNurses #WeNurses first thoughts. I qualified in '02. That makes me "old skool." I was taught activities of daily living, self care deficit theory and science of the unitary human being. As a student we used to hand write individual care plans based on the model in use
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:03
Hello Teresa here - first thoughts, recently i am lamenting the loss of models and their practical application in nursing .... they can be a good starting point to holistic care #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369377899573305356
@WeCommNurses
09 March 2021 20:03
Who's about for what looks like something we could all add value to this eve..... #wenurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369377899573305356
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:04
Oooh yes we also remember these days #WeNurses https://twitter.com/captaintau/status/1369378329334345734
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:04
@captaintau @AgencyNurse Welcome both.... great speedy first thoughts :) #wenurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:04
Hello June - and yes a really excellent point #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/1369378426965082119
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:04
@WeNurses #wenurses even in my first job care plans were pre-printed. We just added the patient name and date. That was it. Now I'm not sure care plans are used at all. If they are, are they joined to the model? I have no idea.
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:05
@WeNurses Hi #WeNurses! First thoughts: Love the concepts but don't feel the need to memorize the model names... The models are a great way to work through concepts to me, just not worth memorization of knowledge only educators reuse regularly...
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:05
QUESTION 1 How were you taught about models of nursing - in the classroom and in practice? #WeNurses https://t.co/1gm2wUZ5cc
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:05
@WeDistrictNurse Hi team WeDNs.... come and join #wenurses anytime.... let's chat models :)
@WeCommNurses
09 March 2021 20:05
RT @WeNurses: @WeDistrictNurse Hi team WeDNs.... come and join #wenurses anytime.... let's chat models :)
@WeGPNs
09 March 2021 20:05
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 1 How were you taught about models of nursing - in the classroom and in practice? #WeNurses https://t.co/1gm2wUZ5cc
@WeLDnurses
09 March 2021 20:06
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 1 How were you taught about models of nursing - in the classroom and in practice? #WeNurses https://t.co/1gm2wUZ5cc
@dmarsden49
09 March 2021 20:06
@WeNurses Great topic for tonight's #wenurses chat. Coincidentally teaching part of this with @NursingKingston #7106s20 #learningdisabilitynurses next week. #wenurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:06
It would be really interesting to get a sense of this from contributors. Are they in use? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/captaintau/status/1369378678707286016
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:06
@captaintau @WeNurses ooh yes i remember these and hated them - no patient centred care there, just a photocopy ! yes care plans are used, but there seems to be no structure or organisation or cohesive thought IMO #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:07
@dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston welcome Daniel - would love to know what you are covering ?? #WeNurses
@WeCYPnurses
09 March 2021 20:07
Cast your mind back..... Or was it quite recent for you? Either way... come share your thoughts via #WeNurses and get stuck in! https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369378756054376452
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:07
@sim_aware @WeNurses That's interesting. How do you describe the concepts then? #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:08
@dmarsden49 @NursingKingston @ProfJuneG Hi and welcome to some great tweeting nurses to #WeNurses ... thanks both for joning and sharing
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:08
@AgencyNurse @WeNurses #wenurses patient has a #NOF, therefore they need care plans for pain, mobility, constipation and sleep. Let's not actually think about individuality. That would be too radical.
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:08
I was a P2k student and a vast part of our learning was based around Roper's activities of daily living hinged off the nursing process ... and we most definitely saw this in practice .. roper was everywhere #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369378756054376452
@salsa442
09 March 2021 20:08
@WeNurses Hi all- only here to lurk until #WeLDNs starts but I’m very curious about this chat ?? #WeNurses
@Vuyiswa72340752
09 March 2021 20:08
RT @WeNurses: #WeNurses on TUESDAY at 8pm Do models have a place in nursing? > http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/5638 https://t.co/LAl9v15TUE
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:09
Great first thoughts ... does anyone agree / disagree ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/sim_aware/status/1369378712215576578
@WeMidwives
09 March 2021 20:09
what, if any, is your model for care plans..... #WeNurses https://twitter.com/captaintau/status/1369378678707286016
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:09
RT @ProfJuneG: It would be really interesting to get a sense of this from contributors. Are they in use? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/captaintau/status/1369378678707286016
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:09
RT @ProfJuneG: It would be really interesting to get a sense of this from contributors. Are they in use? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/captaintau/status/1369378678707286016
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:10
@WeNurses #WeNurses A1: Not a nurse so I learned as I added the concepts into simulation debriefs. Hated seeing students memorize names of them but not be able to practice the concept. I focused on better care and application with models for debriefing topic organization
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:10
@WeNurses I'm talking stone age when answering this but, back in the mid seventies they were a big part of classroom and practice. We were taught about a variety of models and in practice it was usually clear which model a ward/clinical area used. #WeNurses
@Vuyiswa72340752
09 March 2021 20:10
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 1 How were you taught about models of nursing - in the classroom and in practice? #WeNurses https://t.co/1gm2wUZ5cc
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:11
@captaintau @WeNurses from my understanding models were always meant to be concepts to frame nursing care, and should be adapted to reflect the setting and the individual , feel that this got lost a bit in the late 90's #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:11
Great share June... Is this your experience too everyone? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/1369380096113532929
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:11
RT @sim_aware: @WeNurses #WeNurses A1: Not a nurse so I learned as I added the concepts into simulation debriefs. Hated seeing students mem…
@dmarsden49
09 March 2021 20:11
@AgencyNurse @WeNurses @NursingKingston The module is on nursing process, the formative is simulated assessment with actors and summative is a reflective report on the experience. Nursing theory and models are integral to the outcomes #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:12
@sim_aware @WeNurses that sounds like a sensible approach to me #WeNurses
@uddin_anisa
09 March 2021 20:12
@WeNurses #wenurses As a first year student nurse all of my lesson on models and theories of nursing have been taught online via zoom. so far we have been through models such as the Roper Logan Tierney's model.
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:13
RT @AgencyNurse: @sim_aware @WeNurses that sounds like a sensible approach to me #WeNurses
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:13
@ProfJuneG @WeNurses Modeling and Role Modeling Theory - Holism is a part so the simulation might discuss the care and management then debrief on more like "who is this person to the family member in the room?". Then look at "what needs are met?". Don't need the model for each concept #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:13
@dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston wow sounds interesting - was only having the conversation the other day around if students are still taught models of nursing ... i just don't seem to see them in practice anymore #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:13
@captaintau @AgencyNurse @WeNurses Haha! Is that a feature of no time? Standardised approaches? Laziness? #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:14
@uddin_anisa @WeNurses how useful are you finding them ? #WeNurses
@CatherineHughe7
09 March 2021 20:15
@WeNurses #wenurses The main focus of the teaching around the models was how each suited a place in the patients journey. The other focus was on there models ability to enable holistic assessment and care planning.
@Vuyiswa72340752
09 March 2021 20:15
@WeNurses #WeNurses I think they do as the modern nursing still use some of these model concepts in a slightly different way
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:16
Do you think this happened because of an increasing focus on task/competency? #wenurses https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369380375257038854
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:16
@uddin_anisa Hi and a HUGE welcome to #WeNurses , to twitter AND to nursing too!!!! Have a lovely time sharing and chatting this eve Anisa :)
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:16
@ProfJuneG @captaintau @WeNurses this application of nursing models was just not useful for nurses or patients .. it's frustrating to look back and reflect on that practice, which at the time was pretty standard #WeNurses
@_jamilahhx
09 March 2021 20:16
@AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston #WeNurses As a first year student nurse, I can confirm that we do learn about models of nursing. However, when going into practice I have not yet been taught any models. I am not sure if I am supposed to, but reading the first question has me wondering
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:17
RT @ProfJuneG: Do you think this happened because of an increasing focus on task/competency? #wenurses https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369380375257038854
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:17
@sim_aware @WeNurses @ProfJuneG #wenurses In my experience holism gets lip-service only. Very few environments truly practice it.
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:18
@AgencyNurse @ProfJuneG @WeNurses #wenurses "was." Interesting. So not the case now?
@WeMidwives
09 March 2021 20:18
@_jamilahhx @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston great share :) and good to see the chat getting you wondering about things too... something to bring up next time you are zooming :) #WeNurses
@WeLearnOutLoud
09 March 2021 20:18
RT @_jamilahhx: @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston #WeNurses As a first year student nurse, I can confirm that we do learn…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:18
RT @_jamilahhx: @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston #WeNurses As a first year student nurse, I can confirm that we do learn…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:19
@ProfJuneG i think that the model and it's application became the task ... somewhere along the way we lost the focus and forgot to think about how models can enhance care and not just be a tick box exercise #WeNurses
@WeMidwives
09 March 2021 20:19
@CatherineHughe7 @WeNurses @Vuyiswa72340752 thanks for tweeting your views this evening both :) Happy #wenurses'ing :)
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:19
@ProfJuneG I think the education became too task/ competency based. Teaching to the tests... Understanding the "why" was less important #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:19
@sim_aware @WeNurses So is it unconscious? You learned the concepts through the model, then concentrate on the concepts? I'm wondering if experience comes into this, and it may be different very early in career? #WeNurses
@iness_222
09 March 2021 20:19
@WeNurses #wenurses Nursing models and theories are important elements of nursing knowledge and expand on our knowledge of ethical professional practice
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:20
QUESTION 2 Is there a model of nursing that you identify with / favour for your practice? If so why? #WeNurses https://t.co/ivb2nObzOW
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:20
Ahh this is interesting .... can you see in practice where the application / knowledge of models would be useful ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/_jamilahhx/status/1369381717669187586
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:20
RT @_jamilahhx: @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston #WeNurses As a first year student nurse, I can confirm that we do learn…
@uddin_anisa
09 March 2021 20:20
@AgencyNurse @WeNurses It is quite useful learning about nursing through these models as it provides a base from which we can expand our knowledge. It is also quite interesting to look at some of the ways these models are challenged. #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:20
@CatherineHughe7 @WeNurses This sounds reassuring! #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:20
@ISeddir hi and welcome "heinz" :) happy #WeNurses sharing and chatting this eve, thanks for joining :)
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:21
@captaintau @WeNurses @ProfJuneG Agree, and I think that is based on checking boxes. Cohort A did X,Y,Z today ? and Cohort B will do it tomorrow. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:21
@captaintau @ProfJuneG @WeNurses I've not see that level of standardisation in social care #WeNurses
@WeCommNurses
09 March 2021 20:21
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 2 Is there a model of nursing that you identify with / favour for your practice? If so why? #WeNurses https://t.c…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:21
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 2 Is there a model of nursing that you identify with / favour for your practice? If so why? #WeNurses https://t.c…
@dmarsden49
09 March 2021 20:21
@AgencyNurse @WeNurses @NursingKingston We cover nursing theory, models and are lucky to have @NursingKingston honourary @GwenMoulster to present the Moulster & Griffith's Nursing model. https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/The-Moulster-and-Griffiths-Learning-Disability-Nursing-Model-by-Gweneth-Moulster-editor-Jane-Iorizzo-editor-Sarah-Ames-editor-Joshua-Kernohan-editor/9781785924804 #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:22
ahhh and what are some of the challenges ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/uddin_anisa/status/1369382130065805314
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:22
@WeNurses #wenurses @NorthwayRuth is Brian Miller still around? I'm going back 20 years but I remember his lectures on models well. He inspired us to think holistically
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:22
RT @AgencyNurse: @captaintau @ProfJuneG @WeNurses I've not see that level of standardisation in social care #WeNurses
@SmalleyJacqui
09 March 2021 20:22
@WeNurses #WeNurses Hello if your old school what does it make me qualified in 1985 well retired now but remember Roper, Logan and Tierney The Elements of Nursing. Activities of daily living and writing our own Colour card care plans. Nice to reminisce.
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:22
@_jamilahhx @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston Have you asked which model is used when you go into practice? #WeNurses
@WeMidwives
09 March 2021 20:22
Is Brian Miller in the house....... #WeNurses https://twitter.com/captaintau/status/1369383031128068098
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:23
@dmarsden49 @WeNurses @NursingKingston @GwenMoulster ooh fab ... and do you see this model used in practice in LD nursing Dan ? #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:23
RT @SmalleyJacqui: @WeNurses #WeNurses Hello if your old school what does it make me qualified in 1985 well retired now but remember Roper,…
@CatherineHughe7
09 March 2021 20:23
@WeNurses #WeNurses There needs to be a destinction between documentation and nursing models. Nursing models guided you to think about the patient, the role of health care, the context of that health care and even what health is.
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:23
RT @captaintau: @WeNurses #wenurses @NorthwayRuth is Brian Miller still around? I'm going back 20 years but I remember his lectures on mode…
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:23
I suspect this happens a lot in nursing. A really good idea gets picked up and then turned into something not useful by the dead hand of documentation and standardisation. #WeNurses https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369382248924000260
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:23
@SmalleyJacqui thanks for joining and sharing Jacqui :) happy #WeNurses tweetchatting
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:24
@ProfJuneG @WeNurses I learned the models to have a frame for debriefing. References to make the curriculum gods happy. #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:24
RT @CatherineHughe7: @WeNurses #WeNurses There needs to be a destinction between documentation and nursing models. Nursing models guided yo…
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:24
@CatherineHughe7 @WeNurses #wenurses interesting and I think I agree. Distinction yes. But everything needs to be documented
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:24
The Nursing Process (is that technically a model or is it a theory ?) and Roper Activities of Daily Living for me .... P2K roots showing ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369382512947048457
@Vuyiswa72340752
09 March 2021 20:25
RT @CatherineHughe7: @WeNurses #WeNurses There needs to be a destinction between documentation and nursing models. Nursing models guided yo…
@CatherineHughe7
09 March 2021 20:25
@WeNurses #WeNurses I wonder why nurses need to have all their documents set out in forms but Dr, physio's etc can ‘freehand’?
@_jamilahhx
09 March 2021 20:26
I do identify with Benner's Stages of Clinical Competence because as a Novice I do believe my ability to predict certain situations is limited due to my lack of experience in the field as I am a student. #WeNurses
@WeAHPs
09 March 2021 20:26
RT @CatherineHughe7: @WeNurses #WeNurses I wonder why nurses need to have all their documents set out in forms but Dr, physio's etc can ‘fr…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:26
An interesting point - so do you feel that nursing documentation should not mirror the model ? Or do you feel that there is more to it than documentation ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/CatherineHughe7/status/1369383355930804235
@dmarsden49
09 March 2021 20:26
@AgencyNurse @WeNurses @NursingKingston @GwenMoulster I think @GwenMoulster ought to talk to the places that she has been working with to implement it and the various tools. I know @NursingSabp @SABP_CTPLD_EAST @SABP_CTPLD_West have been using it. We also encourage students to test the tools in other practice placements #wenurses
@salsa442
09 March 2021 20:27
Adapted Roper Logan Tierney for me as a newly qualified RNLD in the 90s #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/1369382512947048457
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:27
Roper seems to be a popular model this evening ... any other ones seen in practice ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/OldSwanBob/status/1369383711834275845
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:27
@wenurses #wenurses my recollection is that Alison Tierney of Roper/Logan/Tierney fame used to be active in the nursing community. Is she (or indeed Roper or Logan) on twitter? Sister Dorothea Orem and Martha Rogers died years ago
@WeCommNurses
09 March 2021 20:27
RT @WeNurses: Roper seems to be a popular model this evening ... any other ones seen in practice ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/OldSwanBob/status/1369383711834275845
@WeCYPnurses
09 March 2021 20:27
RT @WeNurses: Roper seems to be a popular model this evening ... any other ones seen in practice ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/OldSwanBob/status/1369383711834275845
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:28
RT @captaintau: @wenurses #wenurses my recollection is that Alison Tierney of Roper/Logan/Tierney fame used to be active in the nursing com…
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:28
@sim_aware @WeNurses Aye. #WeNurses
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:29
@WeNurses #wenurses Define "popular." Well known and oft-implemented yes. But would we choose an alternative? I'm not knocking it, I hasten to add.
@_jamilahhx
09 March 2021 20:29
I do identify with Benner's Stages of Clinical Competence because as a Novice I do believe my ability to predict certain situations is limited due to my lack of experience in the field as I am a student. #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369382512947048457
@dmarsden49
09 March 2021 20:29
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 2 Is there a model of nursing that you identify with / favour for your practice? If so why? #WeNurses https://t.c…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:29
a good point ... not all models fit all settings, I am also a firm believer that models aren't set in stone but, instead, are a starting point. I would be interested to hear if you have found any models useful in your practice ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/danbeglin/status/1369384154710835205
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:30
@salsa442 great lurking :) have a lovely #weldns Sally Thanks for you valued #wenurses tweets this eve
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:30
Great question #WeNurses https://twitter.com/CatherineHughe7/status/1369383849390731279
@ruth_rawson
09 March 2021 20:30
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 2 Is there a model of nursing that you identify with / favour for your practice? If so why? #WeNurses https://t.c…
@salsa442
09 March 2021 20:31
@WeNurses Thank you for having me - I’ll check out the transcript later #WeNurses
@WeCommNurses
09 March 2021 20:31
Where are you on models...... Join the #WeNurses chat now to add your experience/views etc https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369384884993687564
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:31
Roper, Logan and Tierney for me. Occasionally Orem. It's interesting how we want to associate them with someone's name, or is that just shorthand for a particular set of concepts? For example, do we think of patient-centred care as a model? It is. #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369382512947048457
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:31
@WeNurses A2 #WeNurses: I mentioned "Modeling and Role Modeling Theory" before but another I use to frame debriefing actions is "Nursing and Helping Theory". Let's me organize the direction we take conversations about care.
@SmalleyJacqui
09 March 2021 20:31
@WeNurses #WeNurses still kept my little card I used to use back in the day. https://t.co/jOY5qJxsD6
@ruth_rawson
09 March 2021 20:31
The Health Belief model will inform my practice in primary care when trying to change behaviour. It guides you to identify and address threats (barriers) and raise awareness of the benefits of making a behaviour change. Very helpful! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/1369382512947048457
@Vuyiswa72340752
09 March 2021 20:31
@AgencyNurse @WeNurses #WeNurses I like Belief Model in Nursing because it provides a framework for helping patients change unhealthy behaviours to improve outcomes associated with diseases so its about prevention, protection and promoting wellbeing
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:31
The 64,000 dollar question.... #wenurses https://twitter.com/CatherineHughe7/status/1369383849390731279
@Mclean1Chris
09 March 2021 20:31
@sim_aware @WeNurses @ProfJuneG #WeNurses
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:32
@danbeglin @ProfJuneG @WeNurses @_jamilahhx @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @NursingKingston #wenurses now there I do disagree because you've reached the conclusion without (overt) questioning. *are* the models centred around the patient and their experiences?
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:32
Hi #WeNurses sorry I'm late, just catching up. As a childrens nurse, I'm interested to learn what models people are using in practice or how people adapt general models for children and young people
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:32
Fantastic ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/SmalleyJacqui/status/1369385367338647556
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:33
RT @Vuyiswa72340752: @AgencyNurse @WeNurses #WeNurses I like Belief Model in Nursing because it provides a framework for helping patients c…
@WeCYPnurses
09 March 2021 20:33
RT @wlasinclair: Hi #WeNurses sorry I'm late, just catching up. As a childrens nurse, I'm interested to learn what models people are using…
@CatherineHughe7
09 March 2021 20:33
@sim_aware @ProfJuneG #WeNurses I think education is moving away from the specific ‘nursing’ theory to a more general theory base. Sad because nursing theory gives you such a good understanding of the art.
@KirstyEverett3
09 March 2021 20:33
@captaintau @WeNurses #WeNurses I use care plans daily in mental health nursing - these are individualised.
@WeMidwives
09 March 2021 20:33
@wlasinclair how lovely to have your experience shared this eve, thanks for joining #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:33
@wlasinclair are there no models specific to CYP nursing Wendy ? #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:34
I always talk to students about Ann Casey's work on partnerships and the RMCH model, but I'm interested to know about newer models specifically for children and young people #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:34
RT @CatherineHughe7: @sim_aware @ProfJuneG #WeNurses I think education is moving away from the specific ‘nursing’ theory to a more general…
@WeMHNurses
09 March 2021 20:34
RT @KirstyEverett3: @captaintau @WeNurses #WeNurses I use care plans daily in mental health nursing - these are individualised.
@h2cm
09 March 2021 20:34
@AgencyNurse @captaintau @WeNurses Hi all #WeNurses Hodges' model is 'agnostic' in terms of other models, as it's a generic conceptual framework. It can be used with all other models & approaches: disease, recovery, self.. Simple in structure but rich & powerful content: https://hodges-model.blogspot.com/ Biblio in sidebar.
@WeCYPnurses
09 March 2021 20:34
RT @AgencyNurse: @wlasinclair are there no models specific to CYP nursing Wendy ? #WeNurses
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:34
@WeNurses #wenurses going back 20 years I was taught that Alison Tierney was frustrated that her model had been taken on without peer review or critique. She wanted those in order to improve (or dismiss) her model. This is second-hand information, I add.
@WeCommNurses
09 March 2021 20:34
RT @h2cm: @AgencyNurse @captaintau @WeNurses Hi all #WeNurses Hodges' model is 'agnostic' in terms of other models, as it's a generic conce…
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:35
QUESTION 3 Are models of nursing reflected in your experience of nursing practice? AND if so are they clearly outlined or are they inferred? #WeNurses https://t.co/LHD2JyNHLq
@Mclean1Chris
09 March 2021 20:35
@ProfJuneG @sim_aware @WeNurses IF they have a role (big IF) for me ! - then it is in early education. I teach them (if I do) as cognitive scaffolding- a ladder that students may find helpful and then throw away #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:35
@Vuyiswa72340752 @WeNurses I have to admit to not having any experience of this model - have you used it much in practice ? #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:35
@AgencyNurse There are a few - RMCH model (Royal Manchester Childrens Hospital), Ann Casey's partnership, Nottingham model and a few others #wenurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:35
@captaintau @WeNurses Nancy Roper is dead. Win Logan is I think something like 89 and alive as far as I know. I had a very start struck conversation with Alison Tierney about two years ago. #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:35
@captaintau thanks for joining #WeNurses this eve Peter :)
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:36
@danbeglin I admit to not knowing that model - will definitely look it up after the tweetchat. Do you use it formally or informally ? #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:36
@AgencyNurse Most areas tend to develop their own hybrid of models or adapt RLT #wenurses
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:36
@ProfJuneG @captaintau @WeNurses That must have been an amazing conversation #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:36
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/Nadia51675693/status/1369386060518727681
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:36
RT @WeMidwives: @wlasinclair how lovely to have your experience shared this eve, thanks for joining #wenurses
@KirstyEverett3
09 March 2021 20:37
@ProfJuneG #wenurses Lots of models taught in lectures and I think, personally, used daily without formally drawing the link to the actual model. In terms of mental health nursing there's the(not limited to) biopsychosocial model or recovery model which just become part of daily nursing
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:37
'Helping theory' interesting. I would say that RLT and the activities of daily living were 'helping theory'. #wenurses https://twitter.com/sim_aware/status/1369385336850313223
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:37
Learning so much this evening - another one to look up ... have you used this in practice Peter ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/h2cm/status/1369386068219428865
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:37
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/danbeglin/status/1369386185232166920
@WeMHNurses
09 March 2021 20:37
RT @KirstyEverett3: @ProfJuneG #wenurses Lots of models taught in lectures and I think, personally, used daily without formally drawing the…
@shayne_akl
09 March 2021 20:38
@WeNurses in Aotearoa, Durie conceptualised 'Te Whare Tapa Wha' model for understanding indigenous health - using te reo Maori terms is useful in model as situates understanding of care in patient and whanau/family experience #weNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:38
@wlasinclair are they useful ? Are the used in practice ? What do students think of them ? #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:38
Nottingham Model https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.5172/conu.1997.6.1.22?journalCode=rcnj20 #wenurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:38
@KirstyEverett3 @ProfJuneG hi and thanks for sharing on #wenurses this eve Kirsty
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:38
@wlasinclair Hi Wendy! #WeNurses
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:38
@ProfJuneG @WeNurses #wenurses Oooh. I hereby declare you the winner of whatever prize is going this evening. There's being "old skool" and you having first-hand contact. Sorry, that reads as sarcastic. It's not meant to be. I really am in awe.
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:39
I could never get my head around Orem so interesting that you have used it practically ... do you see it used much now? Do you still use it ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/MelPinnington/status/1369386472982331395
@h2cm
09 March 2021 20:39
@AgencyNurse @captaintau @WeNurses 4 original purposes: 1 personcentredness (effort to 'put' Pt at model's ctr) 2 reflection, reflective practice, critical thinking 3 holistic care (inntegrated) 4 curric. development (pre. P2K) TY #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:39
RT @wlasinclair: Nottingham Model https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.5172/conu.1997.6.1.22?journalCode=rcnj20 #wenurses
@WeLearnOutLoud
09 March 2021 20:39
RT @AgencyNurse: @wlasinclair are they useful ? Are the used in practice ? What do students think of them ? #WeNurses
@mynameisAndyJ
09 March 2021 20:39
Hello all - just looking in on another great chat #WeNurses love these chats
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:40
@h2cm @AgencyNurse @WeNurses #wenurses bloody hell this is about to get confusing. Hello Mr Jones.
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:40
@CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware This brings me back to thinking that 'nursing models' are maybe very useful for nursing students or novice nurses, but with expertise and experience broader theories can be applied? #WeNurses
@WeCYPnurses
09 March 2021 20:40
Where do nursing models fit in CYP education and practice ..... #wenurses https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369387101347864576
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:40
@ProfJuneG Hi June ?? #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:40
I found myself the other day using the nursing process and RLT model to explain to someone the depth and breadth of a nurses role and expertise ... it was a useful application of models and not one I had thought of before #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:41
@KirstyEverett3 @captaintau @WeNurses Are the care plans based on a particular model? #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:41
Thoughts everyone..... Via #WeNurses of course :) https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/1369387586565922816
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:41
@WeNurses #wenurses no worries. It's been a while since I did. Busy life. Possibly something to do that with silly MSc I did. Oh and a book. And other stuff.
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:41
@dr_tomlin_liz @WeNurses Same thing that has happened to medicine in general. The known information doubles at an astounding rate. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:41
@wlasinclair ahh yes i have seen this in elderly care too ... with limited success ... how successful is it in CYP nursing ? #WeNurses
@KirstyEverett3
09 March 2021 20:41
@WeNurses #wenurses I think inferred mostly unless it's a specific piece of work e.g.: the recovery star for following the recovery model
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:42
@captaintau come take a break via #WeNurses anytime :)
@WeCYPnurses
09 March 2021 20:42
RT @wlasinclair: @AgencyNurse Most areas tend to develop their own hybrid of models or adapt RLT #wenurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:43
RT @AgencyNurse: Learning so much this evening - another one to look up ... have you used this in practice Peter ? #WeNurses https://t.co/C…
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:43
RT @ProfJuneG: 'Helping theory' interesting. I would say that RLT and the activities of daily living were 'helping theory'. #wenurses https…
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:43
@Mclean1Chris @sim_aware @WeNurses Yes, that's exactly my thinking. Useful hooks for conceptual thinking early on. Slavish following later on says something about an inability to personalise care. #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:43
@AgencyNurse Varying success I'd say. Some areas really use philosophy/models/frameworks to guide practice, and I've seen some areas simply use it to structure assessment and documentation #wenurses
@KirstyEverett3
09 March 2021 20:44
@ProfJuneG @captaintau @WeNurses #WeNurses @WeMHNurses Based on either CPA or Standard Care - would these be considered models? And I'd say we look holistically at patient care so use the biopsychosocial model too
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:44
RT @KirstyEverett3: @ProfJuneG @captaintau @WeNurses #WeNurses @WeMHNurses Based on either CPA or Standard Care - would these be considered…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:44
I think that in some areas we have inferred so long that the inference has lost relevance ! I have not seen models reflected in practice of late ... and they seem to have been forgotten about by some #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369386284855267342
@Mclean1Chris
09 March 2021 20:44
@WeNurses If I build a model boat - then find that this doesn’t look like the structure in the shipyard - then I accept that my model is wrong. Same with nursing. If real nursing didn’t look like your model - it is the model that is wrong! #WeNurses
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:44
@ProfJuneG @CatherineHughe7 If so, are they best memorized or applied as a cognitive aid with mentoring on how to apply them? I know they have a place and I know how I use them. Still not convinced it is globally necessary to memorize them. #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:45
@sim_aware @captaintau @WeNurses Honestly I was like a schoolgirl. Totally star-struck. I could barely speak. We were on the phone too... #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:46
@wlasinclair I find it frustrating in elderly care ... we seem to not be joining up evidence / research / theory and practice #WeNurses
@sondrawomen
09 March 2021 20:46
RT @wlasinclair: Nottingham Model https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.5172/conu.1997.6.1.22?journalCode=rcnj20 #wenurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:46
@Mclean1Chris Thanks for joining and sharing #wenurses Chris
@nursegow
09 March 2021 20:46
@AgencyNurse @danbeglin Aah Peplau! It’s all coming back to me now.... I think I really am ancient!!!#WeNurses
@sondrawomen
09 March 2021 20:46
RT @WeNurses: Thoughts everyone..... Via #WeNurses of course :)
@h2cm
09 March 2021 20:46
@AgencyNurse I use #h2cm routinely Teresa as an aide memoire, sometimes on paper too. Share with teams, but not adopted as a team, or 'tested' sadly. More need today than 1980s. pcc, integrated care, holistic care all 'legacy issues'? #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:46
@KirstyEverett3 That's great. Is it important to make the link to the model? For nursing students? So they get to see the models applied/overlapped/personalised? #WeNurses
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:47
@ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware #wenurses interesting Novice to expert? Or does the expertise and experience make the process (and the nursing process) less coherent across the nursing team?
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:47
Anybody else in elderly care agree / disagree with Teresa? #wenurses https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369389054379364355
@WeCommNurses
09 March 2021 20:47
RT @WeNurses: Anybody else in elderly care agree / disagree with Teresa? #wenurses https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369389054379364355
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:48
@danbeglin @ProfJuneG @WeNurses @_jamilahhx @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @NursingKingston #wenurses absolutely. Carry on. I disagree with you. That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy you a pint.
@KirstyEverett3
09 March 2021 20:49
@ProfJuneG #WeNurses @WeMHNurses @WeNurses Absolutely, the link has always made in my experience. I've been qualified for coming up to 3years but mentor students and make sure I try to back up what we do with the theory! Then it starts to fall into place ??
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:49
Ooh well ease of use is a big positive IMO ... people need to understand it in order to use it .. and a huge criticism of models in the 90's was that they contained complex terminology. But yes get what you mean #WeNurses https://twitter.com/captaintau/status/1369388724920987665
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:49
@shayne_akl @WeNurses This so interesting, especially as a prompt to thinking about 'culturally competent/appropriate' models. I'd love a separate Tweetchat about this! @AgencyNurse #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:49
@captaintau @AgencyNurse I think people find it helps to have something concrete they can use to make sure they have covered everything in their assessments. Some of the more abstract models don't offer that framework...maybe?? #wenurses
@Nyrs_Emma
09 March 2021 20:49
@captaintau @ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware #WeNurses
@Nyrs_Emma
09 March 2021 20:50
@danbeglin @AgencyNurse It rings a very vague bell but certainly one ringing from the very dim and distant past! #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:50
QUESTION 4 In your experience, has using a specific model of nursing helped you to better understand how patient’s care is decided and managed? Can you say why? Or why not? #WeNurses https://t.co/awUqUhq4nj
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:50
@Nyrs_Emma @ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware #wenurses here's the thing. I'm a big fan of intuition. When a colleague says they aren't happy with a patient but can't be more specific, frankly that's all the information I need to be worried. However, how do implement that into a model?
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:50
@captaintau @danbeglin @ProfJuneG @_jamilahhx @AgencyNurse @dmarsden49 @NursingKingston we'll have a tea please... probably cold by the time we get to it :) #wenurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:50
@captaintau @WeNurses Haha! I am indeed, very old. But quite wise - there are some compensations. There are times when I feel I only just missed chatting to Florence... #WeNurses
@h2cm
09 March 2021 20:50
@captaintau @AgencyNurse @WeNurses Hi Peter #WeNurses Please allow me to introduce ... @innov8tor3 @redesign ????
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:51
#wenurses Students often report that it's difficult to understand a 'model' as they think of models as something physical, tangible, visible. It can be hard to get to grips with the concept of a model
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:52
@wlasinclair i have to admit that the idea of a model has sat better with me the further i have gone through my career #WeNurses
@Nyrs_Emma
09 March 2021 20:52
@captaintau @ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware Maybe intuition transcends traditional models? ?? #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:52
@ProfJuneG @captaintau We 100% agree with 50% of the 1st part your tweet :) #wenurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:53
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/CatherineHughe7/status/1369390375161434134
@KirstyEverett3
09 March 2021 20:53
@WeNurses I'm in mental health nursing specifically in those over 65+ and it's sometimes difficult to get across the differences between adult care and elderly care but we still hold our own with evidence base but can see why it may feel lacking #WeNurses @WeMHNurses @AgencyNurse
@sim_aware
09 March 2021 20:53
This was fun #WeNurses. Hate to run but one more class of simulations before my day ends. https://t.co/5yPhBfRCah
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:53
@AgencyNurse @wlasinclair can you share why Teresa? #wenurses
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:53
@wlasinclair #wenurses as I get older I think less in the micro and more in the macro. I'm very principle-lead now. And I don't just mean nursing but in other aspects of my life.
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:53
@Nyrs_Emma @captaintau @ProfJuneG @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware or maybe ' intuition' sits alongside nursing models ? #WeNurses
@uddin_anisa
09 March 2021 20:54
@WeNurses #Wenurses As a first year student nurse I have not got that much experience in nursing however from Peplau's theory I have learnt that as nurses we need to have a therapeutic relationship with patients in order to reach a common goal.
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:54
@sim_aware thanks for joining us #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:54
@sim_aware thanks for joining.... :) #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:54
@KirstyEverett3 @captaintau @WeNurses @WeMHNurses I would consider them models...I would consider task-based care a model...like everything there has to be an ability to understand what is optimum for the individual.#WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:55
RT @captaintau: @wlasinclair #wenurses as I get older I think less in the micro and more in the macro. I'm very principle-lead now. And I d…
@Mclean1Chris
09 March 2021 20:55
@CatherineHughe7 @AgencyNurse @sim_aware @ProfJuneG Not convinced. Most AHPs stick with an uncomplicated ‘bio- psycho- social’ model. Medical education wraps up a lot of fantastic stuff under the heading of communication skills. Only nurses obsess about theorising themselves #WeNurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:55
RT @uddin_anisa: @WeNurses #Wenurses As a first year student nurse I have not got that much experience in nursing however from Peplau's the…
@CatherineHughe7
09 March 2021 20:56
@captaintau @ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @sim_aware #WeNurses IMO learning about the models of nursing are about learning about nursing so essential for the novice to start building on that body of knowledge.
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:56
RT @CatherineHughe7: @captaintau @ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @sim_aware #WeNurses IMO learning about the models of nursing are about learning a…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:57
Yes have often mentally ticked off (or referred to Google) Ropers ADLs to address and plan a persons care ... it just helps me to think in a more rounded way #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369390054418898955
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:57
RT @CatherineHughe7: @captaintau @ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @sim_aware #WeNurses IMO learning about the models of nursing are about learning a…
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:57
@Mclean1Chris @WeNurses Hmm. But if the 'real' nursing is an inadequate activity....does that make the model wrong? Just trying to work it through... #wenurses
@Nyrs_Emma
09 March 2021 20:58
@AgencyNurse Agreed I think it can be really useful to have a model to help for this reason. #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 20:58
#wenurses I think it's important to learn about different nursing models and consider how they can be used to guide practice...but do we need more contemporary models or are they still relevant to our practice in 2021?
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 20:58
RT @Nyrs_Emma: @AgencyNurse Agreed I think it can be really useful to have a model to help for this reason. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:59
@ProfJuneG @Mclean1Chris @WeNurses wow my head is spinning now June ! #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 20:59
@sim_aware @CatherineHughe7 I agree. I would see them as a cognitive aid with mentoring, but early on I think some students may need something to hang the concepts on. I don't know, I'm just musing really. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 20:59
@Nyrs_Emma thanks - glad it's not just me ... was beginning to feel 'old school' #WeNurses
@captaintau
09 March 2021 20:59
@edfreshwater @WeNurses #WeNurses No Because what @edfreshwater said. Except I'd remove the word "mental."
@uddin_anisa
09 March 2021 21:00
@Nyrs_Emma @AgencyNurse #WeNurses This is a quite a useful way to use the model and I had not thought of using models in this way. Very helpful to hear this.
@Nadia51675693
09 March 2021 21:00
@WeNurses As a student nurse, the nursing process model stands out for me as it provides individualised care and enables in solving the patient's problems #Wenurses
@nursegow
09 March 2021 21:00
Particularly when there remains an emphasis on hospital based care being taught... particularly in adult nursing #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wlasinclair/status/1369392233972178954
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:00
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/edfreshwater/status/1369390373521481729
@caringcritical
09 March 2021 21:00
@CatherineHughe7 @WeNurses For me a chicken & egg scenario. Things potential missed as we can't have a form for everything. Without encouraging nurses to robustly & independently implement evidence based practice everyday I worry we go back around the cycle & patient care is negatively impact #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:00
RT @nursegow: Particularly when there remains an emphasis on hospital based care being taught... particularly in adult nursing #WeNurses ht…
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 21:01
That's all for this evening folks - thank you all for your tweets See you next week :) #WeNurses https://t.co/Yq25rZOzOk
@captaintau
09 March 2021 21:01
@wlasinclair #WeNurses Yes. When was the last model created? Or when were the accepted models last updated. Nursing now is a far cry from when I started
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 21:01
@ProfJuneG @nursegow @AgencyNurse @danbeglin #wenurses I still have this handy little book #aggletonandchalmers https://t.co/bGTqGYj8t9
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 21:01
Super huge thanks for joining #WeNurses @AgencyNurse @wlasinclair @Nyrs_Emma @Mclean1Chris @uddin_anisa @captaintau @KirstyEverett3 @h2cm @nursegow @WeMHNurses @innov8tor3 @redesign @danbeglin @_jamilahhx @dmarsden49 @NursingKingston Give each other a follow!!!
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:01
@captaintau @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware Interesting right back atcha! I think if the team consists of experts then an explicit model/process is largely redundant, but where there are students/novices, it must help...?? #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:01
Gosh yes maybe ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wlasinclair/status/1369392233972178954
@Nyrs_Emma
09 March 2021 21:02
RT @WeNurses: Super huge thanks for joining #WeNurses @AgencyNurse @wlasinclair @Nyrs_Emma @Mclean1Chris @uddin_anisa @captaintau @KirstyEv…
@h2cm
09 March 2021 21:02
RT @WeNurses: Super huge thanks for joining #WeNurses @AgencyNurse @wlasinclair @Nyrs_Emma @Mclean1Chris @uddin_anisa @captaintau @KirstyEv…
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 21:02
RT @wlasinclair: @ProfJuneG @nursegow @AgencyNurse @danbeglin #wenurses I still have this handy little book #aggletonandchalmers https://t.…
@Mclean1Chris
09 March 2021 21:02
@ProfJuneG @WeNurses #WeNurses There is a good point here. My arguments relate to the very simplistic way models are often used in curricula. They CAN challenge / offer insights / prompt reflection / support practice development. Just don’t think they help beginners as much as we think !
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:02
@wlasinclair @ProfJuneG @nursegow @danbeglin oh wow ! Which models does it mention ? #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:02
#wenurses https://twitter.com/KirstyEverett3/status/1369389779591258121
@captaintau
09 March 2021 21:02
@WeNurses #WeNurses It's been a long time since I took part in these. Good job I type quickly! That's really quite tiring.
@KirstyEverett3
09 March 2021 21:04
That was fun! My first #WeNurses chat since rejoining Twitter ?? https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1369392964628320257
@Rachel_A_
09 March 2021 21:04
@WeNurses My university doesn't mention them ??????? got a bit panicked when #WeStNs mentioned them and I had no clue But judging by commdmt on this chat I've not missed out lol #Wenurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 21:04
@AgencyNurse @ProfJuneG @nursegow @danbeglin Orem, Henderson, Roy, Rheil, Rogers, Johnson, RLT #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:04
@jimmyteeeeee perhaps the trick is to use the boxes but not to be afraid of destroying them or building upon them .... a model is merely an idea, as nurses we do need to build upon those ideas to provide the best care we can #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:05
@captaintau @Nyrs_Emma @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware I don't think you can. But it could be conceptualised as something other than intuition - it's usually a combination of past experience, unconscious knowledge processing etc etc... #WeNurses
@Mclean1Chris
09 March 2021 21:05
@CatherineHughe7 @AgencyNurse @sim_aware @ProfJuneG The idea that a nursing theory needs to address these elements is itself a part of nursing theory. It insists we define ourselves (by defining ‘nurse’) before moving on - and causes professional paralysis. Secure / mature professions do not seem to do this #WeNurses
@uddin_anisa
09 March 2021 21:05
@ProfJuneG @captaintau @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware #WeNurses As a student who can also be seen as a novice in the nursing profession these models are a helpful way to put knowledge into practise.
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 21:06
@KirstyEverett3 welcome back and thanks so much for so valuably contributing this eve :) see you on #wenurses again soon we hope!
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:06
@Rachel_A_ @WeNurses oh wow really ?? #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 21:06
Interesting insight from Aggleton and Chalmers on nursing models and the role of the nurse #wenurses https://t.co/cfC6gUswfJ
@h2cm
09 March 2021 21:07
@rayhealy @maxwele2 @nursegow @ProfJuneG #WeNurses I was on another webinar 7-9pm but spotted thread. Very interested in yr study / approach Ray?
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:07
This is the nub of it really. And also why it's important that students get a 'fix' on the potential of models and why they're useful - later on it will start to drop into place and they can start to flex them. #WeNurses https://twitter.com/AgencyNurse/status/1369390651356372999
@uddin_anisa
09 March 2021 21:07
@WeNurses @AgencyNurse @wlasinclair @Nyrs_Emma @Mclean1Chris @captaintau @KirstyEverett3 @h2cm @nursegow @WeMHNurses @innov8tor3 @redesign @danbeglin @_jamilahhx @dmarsden49 @NursingKingston #Wenurses Thank you for this discussion it really made me think about what these models mean for nursing. It was also really interesting to see how some of the registered nurses use these models in practise!
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:08
This is a really important comment too. #WeNurses https://twitter.com/CatherineHughe7/status/1369390375161434134
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 21:09
RT @uddin_anisa: @ProfJuneG @captaintau @AgencyNurse @CatherineHughe7 @sim_aware #WeNurses As a student who can also be seen as a novice in…
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:09
A point worth thinking about #WeNurses https://twitter.com/jimmyteeeeee/status/1369394607885348864
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:10
@uddin_anisa @WeNurses @wlasinclair @Nyrs_Emma @Mclean1Chris @captaintau @KirstyEverett3 @h2cm @nursegow @WeMHNurses @innov8tor3 @redesign @danbeglin @_jamilahhx @dmarsden49 @NursingKingston thats fab to hear :D #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:11
@WeNurses God, I am so behind! Too old for this chatting lark! I want to talk to everybody! #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:12
RT @wlasinclair: Interesting insight from Aggleton and Chalmers on nursing models and the role of the nurse #wenurses https://t.co/cfC6gUsw…
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 21:14
@ProfJuneG you did great.... super fast brain and fingers!!! #WeNurses Here's the evidence from the @WendyJNicholson engagement model :) https://t.co/um5Z3pBEQ5
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:14
@Mclean1Chris @WeNurses You're probably right, although sometimes I think that might be in the teaching. If they're taught rigidly rather than as a conceptual framework, then I agree they're prob not helpful. I think I've prob gone round in a circle here.... #WeNurses
@CatherineHughe7
09 March 2021 21:15
@Mclean1Chris @AgencyNurse @sim_aware @ProfJuneG #WeNurses I think that obsession may be related to not being valued / understood as a profession.
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:17
@Mclean1Chris @jimmyteeeeee perhaps one of the biggest criticisms of some / all models (don't know enough to say).... where is the evidence ? The concept of a model is a theory ... but where is that rooted ? #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:17
@Mclean1Chris @CatherineHughe7 @AgencyNurse @sim_aware I hear you. Oh, how I hear you. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
09 March 2021 21:18
@Rachel_A_ @WeNurses I have to admit that as my career has progressed i have found models more and more useful #WeNurses
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:21
Thank you everyone! Really interesting discussion and good to see nursing students joining in. I'm way out of practice on Tweetchats.... #WeNurses
@wlasinclair
09 March 2021 21:21
@ProfJuneG I'm still catching up! ?? #wenurses
@WeNurses
09 March 2021 21:22
Well done indeed to all the students, new tweet chatters and those that have come back for a great chat too! #wenurses https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/1369397845636349961
@gearoidbrennan
09 March 2021 21:27
@ProfJuneG @captaintau @WeNurses Alison Tierney & Win Logan back in 2016 at our @nursing_studies 60th anniversary celebration conference. I was totally star struck! #WeNurses https://t.co/t5vbm7qnT4
@ProfJuneG
09 March 2021 21:28
#wenurses This wasn't tagged in but there's some very interesting points under this tweet... https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/1369379024825376782




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