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#WeCATS discussions are "Critical Appraisal Twitter Sessions" & are a @UKCochraneCentr @Mental_Elf @CASPUK & @WeNurses collaboration.
Hello and welcome to our first #WeCATS topic - to find our more about #WeCATS please see our blog "Critical Appraisal CATS ??"
It's important to say that you don't have to be a critical appraisal expert to join in #WeCATS but you do have to had read the paper .... sooooo here is the link to our first #WeCATS paper:
Effectiveness and cost-effectiveness of mindfulness-based cognitive therapy compared with maintenance antidepressant treatment in the prevention of depressive relapse or recurrence (PREVENT): a randomised controlled trial (Kuyken et al 2015)
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#WeCATS transcript
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:00
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Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:00
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@RuthyB27 @CASPUK Great to have you here Ruth - hard to resist eh? #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:00
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:00
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Looking forward to my first journal club on Twitter #WeCATS |
@KarenLynas2012
25 June 2015 20:01
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:01
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@WeNurses I'm joining in #wave #weCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:01
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@irishinneburg Welcome Iris! Who else is joining us? #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:01
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Hello matey tweeps! It's André Tomlin here, posting elfin wisdom from the woodland this evening :-) #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:01
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RT @Mental_Elf: Hello matey tweeps! It's André Tomlin here, posting elfin wisdom from the woodland this evening :-) #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:01
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Tonights #WeCATS discussion is around this paper> http://t.co/RtljTB8fyN re mindfullness for recurrent depression & will be lead by @CASPUK |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:01
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RT @WeNurses: Tonights #WeCATS discussion is around this paper> http://t.co/RtljTB8fyN re mindfullness for recurrent depression & will be l… |
@KarenLynas2012
25 June 2015 20:01
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@WeNurses @Mental_Elf love the jargon bin! #WeCATS |
@CochraneConsumr
25 June 2015 20:01
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RT @SarahChapman30: Read the paper ready for #WeCATS? We have! @WeNurses @Mental_Elf @CASPUK @UKCochraneCentr http://t.co/A2j7yy1n6S |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:01
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@WeNurses #WAVE #WeCATS |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:02
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Hello Sally from CASP UK here #wecats |
@WeCommNurses
25 June 2015 20:02
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@CochraneConsumr
25 June 2015 20:02
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RT @WeNurses: Tonights #WeCATS discussion is around this paper> http://t.co/RtljTB8fyN re mindfullness for recurrent depression & will be l… |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:02
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What's happening? Twitter, #wecats is happening. Hullo @Mental_Elf @sally_crowe @SarahChapman30 @RuthyB27 |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:02
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If you notice any jargon during #WeCATS pls help me chuck it in the #JargonBin & define it so everyone can join in http://t.co/nu7pOoEjkZ |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:02
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RT @Mental_Elf: If you notice any jargon during #WeCATS pls help me chuck it in the #JargonBin & define it so everyone can join in http://t… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:02
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Teresa here in Bristol - a little nervous as not very good at critcal appraisal #WeCATS |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:02
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RT @Mental_Elf: If you notice any jargon during #WeCATS pls help me chuck it in the #JargonBin & define it so everyone can join in http://t… |
@paulmcau
25 June 2015 20:03
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I'm being a #WeCATS lurker (still in bed: it's 0500 on the east coast of Australia) @UKCochraneCentr @irishinneburg |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:03
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Hi Sally - over to you guys #WeCATS :D https://t.co/uC34T06tc9 |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:03
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@AgencyNurse I think we all feel a bit worried about critical appraisal - good place to share that! #wecats |
@fwilkie
25 June 2015 20:03
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#WeCATS #WAVE - Fran Wilkie here, looking forward to the experiment! |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:03
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RT @UKCochraneCentr: @AgencyNurse I think we all feel a bit worried about critical appraisal - good place to share that! #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:03
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RT @UKCochraneCentr: @AgencyNurse I think we all feel a bit worried about critical appraisal - good place to share that! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:04
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@meta4RN @UKCochraneCentr @irishinneburg You get a badge for effort then - thinking about critical appraisal so early!!! #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:04
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No need to be nervous Teresa we are just dipping out toes in the critical appraisal water! #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:04
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Great stuff #WeCATS https://t.co/gtHefO7dtD |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:04
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QUESTION 1: Does the research ask a clearly focused question? #WeCATS http://t.co/qmcGN546lc |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:04
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@fwilkie Experiment's the word! Exciting doing something new! #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:04
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RT @sally_crowe: No need to be nervous Teresa we are just dipping out toes in the critical appraisal water! #wecats |
@rebecca_wright2
25 June 2015 20:04
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:04
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:04
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RT @sally_crowe: No need to be nervous Teresa we are just dipping out toes in the critical appraisal water! #wecats |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:04
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@rosieneall @WeNurses Yes, I'm an undergraduate #WeCATS |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:05
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What do people think ? #WeCATS https://t.co/Pcf8Ef5Uei |
@paulmcau
25 June 2015 20:05
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Shh! Don't wake my wife! #WeCATS :-) @UKCochraneCentr @irishinneburg |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:05
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By clearly focussed question we are after the who, the what and the why of the research #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:05
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RT @WeNursesToo: What do people think ? #WeCATS https://t.co/Pcf8Ef5Uei |
@Benfelen
25 June 2015 20:05
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.@UKCochraneCentr @AgencyNurse yes critical appraisal makes me nervous too! #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:05
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@meta4RN @UKCochraneCentr @irishinneburg Wow, that's dedication #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:05
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RT @sally_crowe: By clearly focussed question we are after the who, the what and the why of the research #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:05
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@meta4RN @UKCochraneCentr @irishinneburg Undercover tweeting! #wecats |
@ChenSh3
25 June 2015 20:05
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RT @Mental_Elf: #WeCATS 8pm today! Free critical appraisal training http://t.co/yl9SWC6XEQ @WeNurses @CASPUK @UKCochraneCentr http://t.co/F… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:06
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RT @sally_crowe: By clearly focussed question we are after the who, the what and the why of the research #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:06
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Who are the participants in this research? #wecats |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:06
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RT @sally_crowe: No need to be nervous Teresa we are just dipping out toes in the critical appraisal water! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:06
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Who's going to be brave & have a stab at saying who the participants were? #wecats |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:06
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I put can't tell #WeCATS |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:06
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A1. In my opinion it does. What is effect of MBCT compared to maint antidepressant therapy 2prevent relapse/recurrence of depression #wecats |
@kilgore_cliff
25 June 2015 20:06
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RT @WeNurses: Tonights #WeCATS discussion is around this paper> http://t.co/RtljTB8fyN re mindfullness for recurrent depression & will be l… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:07
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We could just focus on the abstract for now - a lot of what we need to know is in there... #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:07
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Q1 @CASPUK well i would say it does - it clearly states background & what they intended to do #WECATS |
@sharontelfer
25 June 2015 20:07
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RT @WeNurses: #CriticalAppraisalTwitterSession #WeCATS #WeCATS #WeCATS #WeCATS Details > http://t.co/itKdDVOJnK Tonight 8pm http://t.… |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:07
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@CASPUK #WeCATS #1but it is not sufficient |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:07
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@rosieneall can't tell who the participants are you mean? #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:07
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@sally_crowe good plan #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:07
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@irishinneburg great stuff that's pretty much the core of it #wecats |
@sharontelfer
25 June 2015 20:07
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RT @WeNurses: The fab @Mental_Elf will be tonights #jargonbin monitor (please feel free to chuck all jargon in the bin) #WeCATS http://t.co… |
@massagetherapy
25 June 2015 20:07
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RT @WeNurses: Tonights #WeCATS discussion is around this paper> http://t.co/RtljTB8fyN re mindfullness for recurrent depression & will be l… |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:07
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Quiet as cats here ... errrr mice we mean #WeCATS https://t.co/lF1IP2iO94 |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:08
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Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/ElpGIJmSCm |
@massagetherapy
25 June 2015 20:08
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RT @UKCochraneCentr: @AgencyNurse I think we all feel a bit worried about critical appraisal - good place to share that! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:08
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We get something about participants in the 1st line of the background, in the abstract #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:08
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Great tip thank you #WeCATS https://t.co/4i99UtdXUH |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:08
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RT @sally_crowe: By clearly focussed question we are after the who, the what and the why of the research #wecats |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:08
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A1. Patients with recurrent major depressive disorder in full or partial remission, at least 3 prior major depression episodes #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:08
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ooh - see I did a silly thin there... #wecats |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:09
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My kittens are weary and sleeping and I am at #WeCATS I'm a @CASPUK facilitator in South Wales Hello everyone |
@Benfelen
25 June 2015 20:09
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:09
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@sally_crowe errrmmm ammending my answer a little then ... definitely why and what .. going back to check who ... #WeCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:09
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@irishinneburg Got it! #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:09
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@CASPUK #WeCats # 1 in addition 2 focused ? clear outcomes R needed and appropriate population |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:09
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What do we think about the intervention? How well is it described? #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:09
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:09
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@jonnysoapbox @CASPUK hello Jon thanks for joining us! #wecats |
@hammerslibrary
25 June 2015 20:10
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:10
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@CASPUK I think it clearly states what the study is about #WeCATS |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:11
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MBCT is the intervention peeps we think that the TS means tapering support i.e coming off the anti Ds #wecats |
@MumStock
25 June 2015 20:11
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RT @WeNurses: The fab @Mental_Elf will be tonights #jargonbin monitor (please feel free to chuck all jargon in the bin) #WeCATS http://t.co… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:11
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@sally_crowe it's one of the things that can trip us up, isn't it? Keep having to check back for acronym meaning #wecats |
@B_thatguy
25 June 2015 20:11
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
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25 June 2015 20:11
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RT @WeNurses: The fab @Mental_Elf will be tonights #jargonbin monitor (please feel free to chuck all jargon in the bin) #WeCATS http://t.co… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:12
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@UKCochraneCentr @sally_crowe indeed it is! #wecats |
@gmckee89
25 June 2015 20:12
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how does this go? #WeCATS |
@SandallJane
25 June 2015 20:12
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:12
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says where they were from & "diagnosis of recurrent major depressive disorder in full or partial remission" #WeCATS https://t.co/auoEkLuegm |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:12
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RT @sally_crowe: We could just focus on the abstract for now - a lot of what we need to know is in there... #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:12
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RT @sally_crowe: We could just focus on the abstract for now - a lot of what we need to know is in there... #wecats |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:12
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#WeCATS so does mcbt reduce antidepressant use ? |
@EmmaBettyHughes
25 June 2015 20:12
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I think it clearly states the intervention and which group was going to get which treatment #weCATS |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:12
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:12
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:13
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So if the intervention was MBCT (mindfulness training) what was this being compared to? The control #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:13
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@EmmaBettyHughes that's good #wecats |
@gmckee89
25 June 2015 20:13
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:13
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@EmmaBettyHughes I think we get a pretty good description of the intervention #wecats |
@paulmcau
25 June 2015 20:13
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Do acronyms belong in the #JargonBin or is that being too harsh? #WeCATS @UKCochraneCentr @sally_crowe |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:13
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@lisaburscheidt @CASPUK #WeCATS no quality of life or interview with pts, Already on drugs with 3 episodes low recovery stats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:13
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hello there #WeCATS https://t.co/fsuqIh27oN |
@gmckee89
25 June 2015 20:13
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:13
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@AgencyNurse this is an important piece of description thanks #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:13
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RT @sally_crowe: So if the intervention was MBCT (mindfulness training) what was this being compared to? The control #wecats |
@rosemariecurry
25 June 2015 20:13
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:13
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@meta4RN @UKCochraneCentr @sally_crowe YES! Especially acronyms #wecats |
@POL_Research
25 June 2015 20:14
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:14
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A1. Interventions (MBCT and control) are described in detail in section "Procedures" #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:14
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Good question #WeCATS https://t.co/8jdmTfMAOb |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:14
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@gmckee89 Hi Geraldine! We just discussed the first question - if you click the hashtag #wecats you can join us for the second. |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:14
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@meta4RN @UKCochraneCentr @sally_crowe I'd say it's ok if authors clearly say what they are on first use. #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:14
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RT @PennyFawthrop: @CASPUK I think it clearly states what the study is about #WeCATS |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:14
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:14
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@irishinneburg thanks great - not a conventional usual care but maintenance anti Ds #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:14
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RT @irishinneburg: A1. Interventions (MBCT and control) are described in detail in section "Procedures" #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:14
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TS ?? #JargonBin #WeCATS https://t.co/Caph4SpyXw |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:15
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RT @sally_crowe: @irishinneburg thanks great - not a conventional usual care but maintenance anti Ds #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:15
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@sally_crowe @irishinneburg The other option would have been an attention control group #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:15
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@AgencyNurse yes we can put that in the jargon bin! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:15
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RT @Mental_Elf: @sally_crowe @irishinneburg The other option would have been an attention control group #wecats |
@POL_Research
25 June 2015 20:15
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RT @UKCochraneCentr: @fwilkie Experiment's the word! Exciting doing something new! #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:15
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#phew #wecats https://t.co/KY39y4QcMz |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:15
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@AgencyNurse TS = Tapering Support (i.e. coming off their antidepressants) #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:15
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@Mental_Elf @sally_crowe @irishinneburg #JARGONBIN - or does everyone know what an attention control group is? #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:16
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Thank you #WeCATS https://t.co/RQVBOu5HxJ |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:16
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RT @Mental_Elf: @AgencyNurse TS = Tapering Support (i.e. coming off their antidepressants) #wecats |
@HoylandH
25 June 2015 20:16
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:16
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nope #WeCATS #JargonBin https://t.co/SnKElbZJql |
@POL_Research
25 June 2015 20:16
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RT @WeNurses: #CriticalAppraisalTwitterSession #WeCATS #WeCATS #WeCATS #WeCATS Details > http://t.co/itKdDVOJnK Tonight 8pm http://t.… |
@petedenton
25 June 2015 20:17
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RT @Mental_Elf: I'm jargon monitor at #WeCATS, but please help me out. If you notice any tricky language, stick it in the #JargonBin http:/… |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:17
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This paper gives you more detail on attention control groups: http://t.co/2rztRAfqsS #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:17
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RT @Mental_Elf: This paper gives you more detail on attention control groups: http://t.co/2rztRAfqsS #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:17
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RT @Mental_Elf: This paper gives you more detail on attention control groups: http://t.co/2rztRAfqsS #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:17
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ok why don't we move on to the outcomes what were they measuring in this study to see if mindfulness was effective? #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:18
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@Mental_Elf please tell us what you mean by an attention control group #WeCATS https://t.co/8h5F8qj1L4 |
@ALLIANCE_INet
25 June 2015 20:18
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RT @Mental_Elf: If you notice any jargon during #WeCATS pls help me chuck it in the #JargonBin & define it so everyone can join in http://t… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:18
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So far we have talked about P population I intervention and C control now lets think about the outcomes? #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:18
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What do people think ? #WeCATS https://t.co/RoBlpOug1k |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:18
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@AmyPricePhD make sure you hashtag with #wecats otherwise it won't show up in main discussion |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:18
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Here's an example #PICO question for patients with acute asthma #WeCATS http://t.co/slOudw783Y |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:18
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RT @Mental_Elf: This paper gives you more detail on attention control groups: http://t.co/2rztRAfqsS #wecats |
@jonathan_davis3
25 June 2015 20:18
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RT @CASPUK: Here's an example #PICO question for patients with acute asthma #WeCATS http://t.co/slOudw783Y |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:19
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@Mental_Elf really helpful to have links we can all check later #WeHomework! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:19
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RT @CASPUK: Here's an example #PICO question for patients with acute asthma #WeCATS http://t.co/slOudw783Y |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:19
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RT @lisaburscheidt: @AmyPricePhD make sure you hashtag with #wecats otherwise it won't show up in main discussion |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:19
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Primary (main) outcome was recurrence of depression #wecats |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:19
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QUESTION 2: Is the research study design appropriate for the question? Will the results inform the Q? #WeCATS http://t.co/flirVgDLsa |
@fwilkie
25 June 2015 20:20
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@sally_crowe #WeCATS outcome= time to relapse or recurrence of depression |
@EmmaBettyHughes
25 June 2015 20:20
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@sally_crowe yes, to see if it was more effective than anti-depress meds in preventing relapse. accounting for costs etc too #weCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:20
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@sally_crowe Thanks for clarifying primary - so many words can be tripwires for the person learning to critically appraise #wecats |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:20
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RT @Mental_Elf: This paper gives you more detail on attention control groups: http://t.co/2rztRAfqsS #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:20
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Now we are going to focus on the way the study was designed #wecats |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:20
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primary outcome was time to relapse or recurrence of depression #wecats |
@PhsmSam
25 June 2015 20:20
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:21
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@EmmaBettyHughes @sally_crowe great to see costs in here really helps in decision making #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:21
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@irishinneburg great yes - this is clearly laid out I think. Good! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:21
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RT @sally_crowe: @EmmaBettyHughes @sally_crowe great to see costs in here really helps in decision making #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:21
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@sally_crowe @EmmaBettyHughes all too unusual too #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:21
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What do we think about randomized trials? Are they a good way to fairly test a treatment? #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:21
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RT @CASPUK: QUESTION 2: Is the research study design appropriate for the question? Will the results inform the Q? #WeCATS http://t.co/flirV… |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:21
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RT @sally_crowe: Primary (main) outcome was recurrence of depression #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:21
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RT @sally_crowe: Primary (main) outcome was recurrence of depression #wecats |
@NicolaTrevor1
25 June 2015 20:22
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The design seems appropriate to inform question. #WeCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:22
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@CASPUK what do people think? #wecats |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:22
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A2. Randomization process seems fine to me - described as computer-generated #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:22
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@NicolaTrevor1 thanks Nicola #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:22
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Q2 #WECATS https://t.co/gi2AE3hRND |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:22
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RT @fwilkie: @sally_crowe #WeCATS outcome= time to relapse or recurrence of depression |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:22
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@irishinneburg agree - we get more detail about randomization than is often the case #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:22
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#WeCATS https://t.co/nF1JGXhIFB |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:22
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Who was 'blinded' in the trial? Does this matter? #wecats |
@wlasinclair
25 June 2015 20:23
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RT @CASPUK: QUESTION 2: Is the research study design appropriate for the question? Will the results inform the Q? #WeCATS http://t.co/flirV… |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:23
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RT @NicolaTrevor1: The design seems appropriate to inform question. #WeCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:23
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RT @sally_crowe: Who was 'blinded' in the trial? Does this matter? #wecats |
@lyn_las
25 June 2015 20:23
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RT @WeNurses: Helloooo and welcome to the first #WeCATS discussion Please give us a #WAVE if you are joining us http://t.co/FOX11fcUAM |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:23
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@sally_crowe yes if done well and with an appropriate control, as mentioned earlier #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:23
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@sally_crowe blinding #JARGONBIN potential. Single blinded - do you all know what that is? #wecats |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:23
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.@sally_crowe Randomization makes sure that both groups are comparable at the start of the trial #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:23
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I would say yes but have to be properly conducted .. large enough amount of subjects etc #WeCATS https://t.co/WluBdNt6sc |
@IMLahart
25 June 2015 20:23
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@NicolaTrevor1
25 June 2015 20:24
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Does anyone think there is anything in the trial design that would mean a difference would be missed? #WeCATS |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:24
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@sally_crowe #wecats rct is what we are led to think is reasonable method |
@uniquespaday
25 June 2015 20:24
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Hi sorry new to Twitter how do you join #WeCATS |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:24
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.@sally_crowe Patients not blinded (hard to achieve in this setting), but researchers who judge outcomes #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:24
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Blinding = Actions intended to prevent study participants or the researchers from knowing which participant received which treatment #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:25
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@uclanodp @UKCochraneCentr much better if authors describe who was blinded and why? Rather than single, double triple blinded! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:25
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I see they talk about 'masking' - all ok with that? Section on blinding or masking on p.2 #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:25
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Not sure if the patients were equally matched in terms of demographics or medical criteria #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:25
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Q2 @CASPUK i think the only thing that worrys me is the mindfulness therapy itself #WeCATS As it was delivered by two therapists |
@PowysFalls
25 June 2015 20:25
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RT @WeNurses: Dont forget that tonights #WeNurses hashtag is #WeCATS :D |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:25
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@Jo__Howe interesting Jo in what way? #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:25
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Throwing "blinding" into the #jargonbin, so many ppl come to my sessions being really confused about what it is and why it's done #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:25
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RT @Jo__Howe: Not sure if the patients were equally matched in terms of demographics or medical criteria #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:25
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masking is another word used for blinding folks #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:26
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He's beat me to it already, speedy Elf #wecats https://t.co/F3Rp14DfAn |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:26
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If the patients know what part of the trial they are in does that matter? #WeCATS |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:26
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Usually in research with RCTs we would match through randomisation to age, gender, time of onset to ensure both groups equal #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:26
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@CASPUK am i right in saying no mention of content consistency of minfulness therapy ? or have i misread ? #WeCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:26
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RT @sally_crowe: masking is another word used for blinding folks #wecats |
@RuthyB27
25 June 2015 20:26
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@uniquespaday Hi, follow the hashtag #weCATS & look out for @sally_crowe @CASPUK tweet questions |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:26
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"The fidelity of this masking was moderate" - they could've said that clearer guvnor! #JargonBin #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:26
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so to summarise in this study just the data analysts were blind to whose data they were analysing - treatment or control #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:26
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RT @irishinneburg: A2. Randomization process seems fine to me - described as computer-generated #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:26
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RT @irishinneburg: A2. Randomization process seems fine to me - described as computer-generated #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:26
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@sally_crowe @uclanodp @UKCochraneCentr yes much better! #wecats |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:26
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Here is the basic design of a Randomised Controlled Trial #RCT #WeCATS http://t.co/lF91ktbqpm |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:27
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Another thing they could have done is video taped all the sessions and marked the assessors and or therapsitst from the videos #wecats |
@VerityTay
25 June 2015 20:27
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RT @AgencyNurse: Q2 @CASPUK i think the only thing that worrys me is the mindfulness therapy itself #WeCATS As it was delivered by two th… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:27
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#jargonbin "blinded" #wecats https://t.co/xIXbXzEh2J |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:27
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Did the clinicians know, and does that matter? #WeCATS |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:27
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@UKCochraneCentr #wecats interesting blinding /masking ? Difference |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:27
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They did quite a bit of quality control of the therapists - a sign of a good trial #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:27
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@WeNurses @irishinneburg that could be excel though - #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:28
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@EmmaBettyHughes @sally_crowe Unclear how costs assessed & worry telling all patients 2 take meds would bias withdrawal #WeCats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:28
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Only research assessors were 'blinded/masked' to which treatment group each person was in #wecats |
@NicolaTrevor1
25 June 2015 20:28
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@jonnysoapbox knowing your treatment can influence how you feel and whether you think the treatment is working #WeCATS |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:28
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Yes i think the therapy sessions should have been structured the same .. they may have been but doesnt say #WeCATS https://t.co/LrezXf3TAb |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:28
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.@Jo__Howe and to all the other factors we might not even know that they are influencing the outcome (= confounders) #wecats |
@AinnaFawHen
25 June 2015 20:28
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:28
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@jonnysoapbox yes they did and that's a good question. What do people think? Did it matter that clinicians knew which treatment? #wecats |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:28
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RT @irishinneburg: A2. Randomization process seems fine to me - described as computer-generated #wecats |
@CoxonGeorge
25 June 2015 20:28
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RT @WeKittens: Don't forget #WeCATS chat tonight at 8pm! Mindfulness For Recurrent Depression (@TheLancet #RCT) http://t.co/tvB7u2UA4o |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:28
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RT @AgencyNurse: Yes i think the therapy sessions should have been structured the same .. they may have been but doesnt say #WeCATS https:… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:29
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@AgencyNurse good point #wecats |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:29
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@uniquespaday you're here Paul prefix responses with #wecats |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:29
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@jonnysoapbox to be honest I don't know as I read it online, no page numbers! Also, I am new to all this #WeCATS |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:29
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@Mental_Elf surely in the case the particpants would have known which treatment they recieved ? #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:29
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A trial design helps to address the other issues (apart from the intervention) that might affect the outcomes #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:29
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#WeCATS mixed methods would B more informative RCT + qualitative research https://t.co/1mX051hBaZ |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:30
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@PennyFawthrop @jonnysoapbox That's something for us to be aware of - not all will see page numbers! Thanks #wecats |
@Emma_Leigh_MBE
25 June 2015 20:30
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RT @Mental_Elf: If you notice any jargon during #WeCATS pls help me chuck it in the #JargonBin & define it so everyone can join in http://t… |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:30
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@AgencyNurse @Mental_Elf Yes they did - can't have it any other way in this trial #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:30
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ok - so could this have affected the research then ? #wecats https://t.co/uh0lFIdc2x |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:30
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RT @sally_crowe: A trial design helps to address the other issues (apart from the intervention) that might affect the outcomes #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:30
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Does it mention whether the assessors blindedness was checked? Usually would ask if they knew which treatment patient had #wecats |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:30
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QUESTION 3: Are the participants in the study all accounted for? Did any drop out and do we know why? #WeCATS http://t.co/ZL2B83sFnw |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:30
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@AmyPricePhD agree Amy! #wecats |
@RuthyB27
25 June 2015 20:30
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RT @sally_crowe: A trial design helps to address the other issues (apart from the intervention) that might affect the outcomes #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:31
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@Mental_Elf so there was no blindness ... but yes surely no choice. #WeCATS Does this affect the accuracy ? |
@NicolaTrevor1
25 June 2015 20:31
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@AmyPricePhD How would mixed methods be better? #WeCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:31
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@Jo__Howe yes we get info on how many people assessors correctly guessed treatment allocation #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:31
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The diagram of people running away from the trial is to illustrate that in real life ppl do leave studies for lots of reasons #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:31
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@AgencyNurse @Mental_Elf research assessors were blind to treatment allocation #wecats |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:31
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RT @caspuk: QUESTION 3: Are the participants in the study all accounted for? Did any drop out and do we know why? #WeCATS |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:31
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@Jo__Howe It does "The fidelity of this masking was moderate with assessors correctly guessing allocation for 56% of assessments" #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:32
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Indeed !!!!! #eek #WeCATS https://t.co/cjlKXZMyQO |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:32
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RT @UKCochraneCentr: @AgencyNurse @Mental_Elf research assessors were blind to treatment allocation #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:32
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RT @CASPUK: Here is the basic design of a Randomised Controlled Trial #RCT #WeCATS http://t.co/lF91ktbqpm |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:32
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RT @CASPUK: Here is the basic design of a Randomised Controlled Trial #RCT #WeCATS http://t.co/lF91ktbqpm |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:32
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@NicolaTrevor1 @AmyPricePhD as well as assessing effectiveness we may find out more about mindfulness? #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:32
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@EmmaBettyHughes @sally_crowe cost £112 per participant is this platform start up etc or just standard therapy #WeCats |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:32
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A3. The patient 'flow' in the trial is given in Figure 1 #wecats |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:32
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Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:32
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ahhh yes would have felt happier about this #WeCATS https://t.co/nzoAyafFcT |
@PhyllBuc
25 June 2015 20:32
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Now 4 1st time MT“@sally_crowe: @CASPUK tweetchat #WeCATS on 25th June 8-9pm see you there! http://t.co/12yMJFiDPB” https://t.co/iiFu4HGz5R |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:32
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@United4Evidence
25 June 2015 20:32
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RT @sally_crowe: A trial design helps to address the other issues (apart from the intervention) that might affect the outcomes #wecats |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:33
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@sally_crowe #wecats as is their right to |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:33
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#WeCATS figure 1 on page 4 shows the number of participants lost to follow-up or withdrew from the study |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:33
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RT @CASPUK: QUESTION 3: Are the participants in the study all accounted for? Did any drop out and do we know why? #WeCATS http://t.co/ZL2B8… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:33
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RT @CASPUK: QUESTION 3: Are the participants in the study all accounted for? Did any drop out and do we know why? #WeCATS http://t.co/ZL2B8… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:33
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Look for a nice diagram that shows who started and who finished! Called a flow diagram and it is on page 4 of the paper #wecats |
@lyn_las
25 June 2015 20:33
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RT @rosieneall: Any undergraduate or postgraduate student's joining tonight's #WeCATS tweet? |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:33
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#WeCATS I'm learning that research papers need to be read several times for appraisals to be made. Going off first impressions #newtoallthis |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:33
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@irishinneburg I think this is a useful way to show it - we can see the participants & what happened at each stage #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:33
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RT @PennyFawthrop: #WeCATS I'm learning that research papers need to be read several times for appraisals to be made. Going off first impre… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:34
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RT @PennyFawthrop: #WeCATS I'm learning that research papers need to be read several times for appraisals to be made. Going off first impre… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:34
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@PennyFawthrop you're right there! They can be so hard to pick apart #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:34
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#WeCats could assess quality of life, individual experience, motivation 4 returning or discontinuing meds, 1/2 https://t.co/Mmj79MHuOV |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:34
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Here's figure 1 from the paper #WeCATS You can see what happened to trial participants at each stage http://t.co/EMcMO6z3aC |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:34
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@UKCochraneCentr @PennyFawthrop it does get easier to "get the jist" with practice #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:34
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@sally_crowe This is good isn't it? #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:34
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Anyone else think that they have exactly the same figures in the trial flow diagram between the intervention and the control groups? #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:35
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@rosieneall Indeed, thanks Rosie! #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:35
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Q3 @CASPUK Its clear that some participants dropped out but a large percentage stayed .. very good table explaining this #WeCATS |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:35
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#WeCats 2/2 could C participants happy with trial how 2 improve, what other meds/life happened during trial https://t.co/Mmj79MHuOV |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:35
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So sadly 2 people died in each arm of the trial, and 17 were lost to follow up or withdrew in each arm - comments? #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:35
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:35
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:36
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@sally_crowe strange co-incidence perhaps? #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:36
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Q3 Are people happy with what 'intention-to-treat' means? #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:36
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I did #smugface #WeCATS https://t.co/8xszKb7jSA |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:36
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Here's how the @NICEcomms glossary defines 'Intention to Treat' #WeCATS (not Intention to Tweet!) http://t.co/mtnZfxOXDo |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:36
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@AgencyNurse @CASPUK yes the 'stickability' of this trial was good #wecats |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:36
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RT @CASPUK: QUESTION 3: Are the participants in the study all accounted for? Did any drop out and do we know why? #WeCATS http://t.co/ZL2B8… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:36
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@sally_crowe @AgencyNurse @CASPUK That's a good term! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:37
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RT @CASPUK: Here's how the @NICEcomms glossary defines 'Intention to Treat' #WeCATS (not Intention to Tweet!) http://t.co/mtnZfxOXDo |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:37
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QUESTION 4: What are main results of the research? Are they significant statistically or clinically or both? #WeCATS http://t.co/EOGQcN7t3D |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:37
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Me too Penny - keep going .. i'm asking lots of daft questions #learning #wecats https://t.co/xQEV6Tle0d |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:37
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RT @sally_crowe: @AgencyNurse @CASPUK yes the 'stickability' of this trial was good #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:37
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hold on to your hats then its results time! #wecats |
@NicolaTrevor1
25 June 2015 20:37
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Sounds like this would be much more informative for clinical practice #WeCATS https://t.co/ZhhV9LeUzj |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:37
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RT @CASPUK: Here's figure 1 from the paper #WeCATS You can see what happened to trial participants at each stage http://t.co/EMcMO6z3aC |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:37
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@NicolaTrevor1 #WeCATS could C if participants had tech glitches & when & Y they disengaged |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:37
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@CASPUK @NICEcomms very simply, intention to treat ignores anything that happens after randomisation! #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:37
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no question is a daft question in wecats! #wecats |
@SteriuMD
25 June 2015 20:37
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:38
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@sally_crowe Ooh - that's a challenge! #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:38
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@sally_crowe either a weird cooincodence or bad copy&paste as nobody proofreads diagrams? ppl dying = very sad in any case. #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:38
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any thoughts here #WeCATS https://t.co/MWyH4N6cbo |
@United4Evidence
25 June 2015 20:38
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ITT: "once randomized, always analyzed" @UKCochraneCentr @CASPUK #wecats |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:38
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:38
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:38
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RT @United4Evidence: ITT: "once randomized, always analyzed" @UKCochraneCentr @CASPUK #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:39
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@United4Evidence @UKCochraneCentr @CASPUK That's neat! #wecats |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:39
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@sally_crowe I am always cautious of studies reporting the same numbers for both arms #WeCATS |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:39
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could i please chuck that in the #jargonbin too #WeCATS https://t.co/eW5ZSg60Y9 |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:39
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@sally_crowe @NicolaTrevor1 Yes, that would B important $ future could intervention B tailored better R other qualities important #WeCats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:39
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any offers of a result for this trial in words or numbers? #wecats |
@NatalieBlencowe
25 June 2015 20:39
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RT @United4Evidence: ITT: "once randomized, always analyzed" @UKCochraneCentr @CASPUK #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:39
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@sally_crowe dun dun dun #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:39
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RT @NicolaTrevor1: Sounds like this would be much more informative for clinical practice #WeCATS https://t.co/ZhhV9LeUzj |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:39
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i guess that naturally some people will be lost - it seems minimal to me - sad about the deaths though #wecats https://t.co/W9cUehtNeN |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:40
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A5. No statist. significant difference in primary outcome (time to relapse or recurrence), not in relapse rate either #wecats |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:40
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We suggest you look in the abstract for this information. The abstract should describe the results simply #WeCATS http://t.co/7qpXhUzyU0 |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:40
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RT @United4Evidence: ITT: "once randomized, always analyzed" @UKCochraneCentr @CASPUK #wecats |
@United4Evidence
25 June 2015 20:40
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ITT also keeps randomization intact! MT @CASPUK @NICEcomms very simply, [ITT] ignores anything that happens after randomisation! #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:40
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@AgencyNurse it's in the bin! #wecats |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:40
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@AgencyNurse lifelong learning is important for all of us. Lovely to meet you yesterday. #WeCATS |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:40
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RT @United4Evidence: ITT: "once randomized, always analyzed" @UKCochraneCentr @CASPUK #wecats |
@NicolaTrevor1
25 June 2015 20:40
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No detected difference #WeCATS |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:40
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@Jo__Howe @sally_crowe #wecats can't see we reasons for deaths explained unsure about coincidence ? |
@JohnBaker_Leeds
25 June 2015 20:41
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Loving all this critique #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:41
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In a nutshell this trial did not have a statistically significant result - used something called a hazard ratio #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:41
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RT @sally_crowe: In a nutshell this trial did not have a statistically significant result - used something called a hazard ratio #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:41
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@uclanodp @sally_crowe Not always easy to get the information surrounding death if you don't have direct access medical records #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:41
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Treat not Tweet .. a clear distinction ;D #WeCATS https://t.co/HYNPR4diw6 |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:41
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RT @CASPUK: Here's an example #PICO question for patients with acute asthma #WeCATS http://t.co/slOudw783Y |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:42
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@Mental_Elf @AgencyNurse Thanks Teresa, I have no idea what that statement means #WeCATS |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:42
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#WeCats B good to know #s in population without meds or mindfulness for death and treatment dropout https://t.co/lCSIRhZzpZ |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:42
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@RuthyB27
25 June 2015 20:42
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RT @sally_crowe: In a nutshell this trial did not have a statistically significant result - used something called a hazard ratio #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:42
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and lovely to meet you :D #wecats https://t.co/HHWb5vcyfV |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:42
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@sally_crowe I did think about how I'd tackle hazard ratios is a tweet but gave up! Hope someone can link to something! #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:42
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I guess we don't need to know how to calculate a hazard ratio or even understand it but we do need to know how to interpret it #wecats |
@mary_titchener
25 June 2015 20:42
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RT @Mental_Elf: If you notice any jargon during #WeCATS pls help me chuck it in the #JargonBin & define it so everyone can join in http://t… |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:42
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Deaths in trial participants were said to be not related to the trial itself #WeCATS http://t.co/qqaHXCVvDV |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:42
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@Mental_Elf hazard ratio? #JARGONBIN #wecats |
@WeKittens
25 June 2015 20:42
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#WeCATS https://t.co/hmEDagjrqo |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:42
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@sally_crowe yes exactly #wecats |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:42
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#WeCATS says not due to either treatment? https://t.co/kZtRxucXRX |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:43
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you heard the lady ..... please feel free to ask any questions #WeCATS https://t.co/zrgWopuOW0 |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:43
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Confidence Intervals give us the range within which the true size of effect (never exactly known) lies #WeCATS http://t.co/FgOTbiMdTK |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:43
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.@sally_crowe Hazard ratio is a measure to compare time-to-event for two groups #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:43
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RT @CASPUK: Confidence Intervals give us the range within which the true size of effect (never exactly known) lies #WeCATS http://t.co/FgOT… |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:43
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http://t.co/Hot6ceHGjI any good? #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:43
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RT @irishinneburg: .@sally_crowe Hazard ratio is a measure to compare time-to-event for two groups #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:43
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Sometimes ? asked in initial appraisal raise other one 2 look at great 2 do this in group like #WeCats https://t.co/Mw6uqnEAI0 |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:44
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@UKCochraneCentr @sally_crowe I usually turn to wikipedia with my statistical #jargonbin questions https://t.co/7VAJdBrQyS #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:44
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@irishinneburg @sally_crowe There's a nice overview of hazard ratios here: http://t.co/8CnGlxPZdr #wecats |
@Pennyjhutch
25 June 2015 20:44
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RT @CASPUK: QUESTION 3: Are the participants in the study all accounted for? Did any drop out and do we know why? #WeCATS http://t.co/ZL2B8… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:44
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RT @sally_crowe: any offers of a result for this trial in words or numbers? #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:44
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RT @sally_crowe: any offers of a result for this trial in words or numbers? #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:44
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RT @CASPUK: We suggest you look in the abstract for this information. The abstract should describe the results simply #WeCATS http://t.co/7… |
@garry_tew
25 June 2015 20:44
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RT @Mental_Elf: This paper gives you more detail on attention control groups: http://t.co/2rztRAfqsS #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:44
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so we have a result of 0.89 but it is within a range of 0.67 to 1.18 this is called a confidence interval #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:44
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RT @CASPUK: We suggest you look in the abstract for this information. The abstract should describe the results simply #WeCATS http://t.co/7… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:44
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RT @sally_crowe: so we have a result of 0.89 but it is within a range of 0.67 to 1.18 this is called a confidence interval #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:45
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#phew #wecats https://t.co/MGLe74dEZb |
@SteriuMD
25 June 2015 20:45
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RT @sally_crowe: A trial design helps to address the other issues (apart from the intervention) that might affect the outcomes #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:45
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RT @Mental_Elf: @irishinneburg @sally_crowe There's a nice overview of hazard ratios here: http://t.co/8CnGlxPZdr #wecats |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:46
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#WeCATS what if the ratio was 1 https://t.co/Eq8Ywcm0Bh |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:46
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@CASPUK & hopefully be true to what you read later on in the paper! #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:46
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I was lost on the meaning of the results - it seemed to give no clear "winner" ?? #WeCATS https://t.co/ia2gPsulHW |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:46
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RT @CASPUK: Confidence Intervals give us the range within which the true size of effect (never exactly known) lies #WeCATS http://t.co/FgOT… |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:46
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RT @Mental_Elf: @irishinneburg @sally_crowe There's a nice overview of hazard ratios here: http://t.co/8CnGlxPZdr #wecats |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:46
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RT @CASPUK: We suggest you look in the abstract for this information. The abstract should describe the results simply #WeCATS http://t.co/7… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:46
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@AgencyNurse I think this gets more interesting when we think about clinical significance #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:47
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within the range of results we have a 1 - and 1 is the line of treatment effect #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:47
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so if the result is not statistically significant - does it matter clinically? #wecats |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:47
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@Jo__Howe #wecats thanks Jo perfect |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:47
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@UKCochraneCentr yes i can see that but still a little unsure of clinical significance here #WeCATS |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:48
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.@jonnysoapbox If the ratio was 1 the time-to-event would be exactly the same in both groups #wecats |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:48
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RT @PennyFawthrop: #WeCATS I'm learning that research papers need to be read several times for appraisals to be made. Going off first impre… |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:48
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Here's the confidence interval slide again to back up @sally_crowe's point #WeCATS http://t.co/L6zQu3OM79 |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:48
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@nursingSUni @WeNurses we are over on #WeCATS tonights :) |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:48
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#WeCATS so maybe there is no clear winner. What if ratio was 1 https://t.co/8KabdaGyks |
@PennyFawthrop
25 June 2015 20:48
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@CASPUK the participant profile could be an indicator of why these deaths happened #WeCATS |
@beetrooter
25 June 2015 20:48
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a visual of what happens when people leave a clinical trial #WeCATS http://t.co/dlPgMXya6L |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:48
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@WeNurses #wecats but I'm very late @levylass sorry |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:48
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RT @jonnysoapbox: #WeCATS so maybe there is no clear winner. What if ratio was 1 https://t.co/8KabdaGyks |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:48
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Could compare 2 prior population statistics 4 the type of patients? #WeCats https://t.co/AkI1Rv4Kgb |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:48
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RT @Mental_Elf: I'm jargon monitor at #WeCATS, but please help me out. If you notice any tricky language, stick it in the #JargonBin http:/… |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:49
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@jonnysoapbox ahhh that makes sense #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:49
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RT @Mental_Elf: I'm jargon monitor at #WeCATS, but please help me out. If you notice any tricky language, stick it in the #JargonBin http:/… |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:49
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RT @PennyFawthrop: @CASPUK the participant profile could be an indicator of why these deaths happened #WeCATS |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:49
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RT @sally_crowe: @AgencyNurse @CASPUK yes the 'stickability' of this trial was good #wecats |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:49
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:49
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RT @AmyPricePhD: Could compare 2 prior population statistics 4 the type of patients? #WeCats https://t.co/AkI1Rv4Kgb |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:49
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RT @AmyPricePhD: Could compare 2 prior population statistics 4 the type of patients? #WeCats https://t.co/AkI1Rv4Kgb |
@MentalhealthMSc
25 June 2015 20:49
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RT @Mental_Elf: #WeCATS 8pm Appraising PREVENT RCT: #mindfulness-based cognitive therapy for #depression http://t.co/capK24t4i3 http://t.co… |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:50
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If mindfulness is as good as anti Ds for depression that is still quite effective? #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:50
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@sally_crowe Yes - some people do not want can not take meds #wecats |
@KC_facilitation
25 June 2015 20:50
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:50
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So the upper confidence limit is more than 1. What does that mean? #WeCATS |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:50
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RT @jonnysoapbox: So the upper confidence limit is more than 1. What does that mean? #WeCATS |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:50
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but i guess theres clinically as good and cost effectiveness and availability in practice ? #WeCATS https://t.co/capdNGMYcX |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:51
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@Jo__Howe indeed and that was the genesis of this study I think #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:51
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RT @jonnysoapbox: So the upper confidence limit is more than 1. What does that mean? #WeCATS |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:51
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@jonnysoapbox These results are not statistically significant #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:51
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@sally_crowe I would says yes, what do clinicians think? #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:51
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@AgencyNurse offering a good alternative to Anti D's #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:51
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The absence of a usual care or attention control group means that we can’t be sure that the effects of MBCT are specific to MBCT #wecats |
@RuthyB27
25 June 2015 20:51
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@sally_crowe #WeCATS ...sounds quite good to me....instead of taking pills |
@beetrooter
25 June 2015 20:51
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*waves* apologies for being so late. Am reading conversation as quick as possible to catch up! #WeCATS |
@vankidzdoc
25 June 2015 20:51
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RT @Mental_Elf: @irishinneburg @sally_crowe There's a nice overview of hazard ratios here: http://t.co/8CnGlxPZdr #wecats |
@massagetherapy
25 June 2015 20:51
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Learn more about critical apraisal of research #wecats via @WeNurses http://t.co/fmSmWphADj |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:51
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@Mental_Elf Study has limitations for sure - no control group #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:52
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RT @Mental_Elf: @irishinneburg @sally_crowe There's a nice overview of hazard ratios here: http://t.co/8CnGlxPZdr #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:52
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@AgencyNurse the results suggest that MBCT may be helpful, especially for those at high risk of relapse (again with the #!) #WeCATS |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:52
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QUESTION 5: Were all of the important outcomes considered?...& if not, what is missing? #WeCATS http://t.co/TaNgwE2Jub |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:52
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This paper seems to be pointing me in the direction of "pt centredness" its an option if pt comfy with this #WeCATS https://t.co/r6aTn3x0JU |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:52
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Finally lets dwell on the outcomes that were used - we know the primary outcome what about the rest? #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:52
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@Jo__Howe This is good quality research though, compared to the other mindfulness studies that have been published recently #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:52
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RT @CASPUK: QUESTION 5: Were all of the important outcomes considered?...& if not, what is missing? #WeCATS http://t.co/TaNgwE2Jub |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:53
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@UKCochraneCentr @AgencyNurse Table on p.8 is helpful for checking off the outcomes #wecats |
@massagetherapy
25 June 2015 20:53
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Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/t84qY10KDu" |
@jonnysoapbox
25 June 2015 20:53
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@Mental_Elf #WeCATS yes, and that it could be worse, we just not sure. |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:53
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Does it state anywhere that patients themselves evaluated the trial? - patient involvement? #wecats |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:53
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RT @CASPUK : QUESTION 5: Were all of the important outcomes considered?...& if not, what is missing? #WeCATS |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:53
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@Jo__Howe ooh I like that question! #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:53
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Who should determine the outcomes used in trials? #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:53
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Runs to check table 8 #WeCATS https://t.co/SqtUv6Lz0n |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:53
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RT @Jo__Howe: Does it state anywhere that patients themselves evaluated the trial? - patient involvement? #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:54
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@WeNurses @Mental_Elf agree - every study has limitations #wecats |
@XMcVey
25 June 2015 20:54
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RT @Mental_Elf: @irishinneburg @sally_crowe There's a nice overview of hazard ratios here: http://t.co/8CnGlxPZdr #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:54
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@AgencyNurse This study is not sufficient evidence to say that MBCT is equivalent to antidepressants for recurrent depression #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:54
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Do we get 2 C Jargon bin results Use 4 glossary maybe #WeCats https://t.co/vXueLNb5cd |
@UCLanODP
25 June 2015 20:54
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@Mental_Elf #WeCATS what would have been usual care for these participants ? |
@carlosneumoruiz
25 June 2015 20:54
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RT @CASPUK: Confidence Intervals give us the range within which the true size of effect (never exactly known) lies #WeCATS http://t.co/FgOT… |
@CASPUK
25 June 2015 20:54
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Do you think the outcomes are important for people with depression, or for mental health professionals? #WeCATS http://t.co/r0P2jUHadF |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:54
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@uclanodp @Mental_Elf Anti D's no treatment is my guess #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:54
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@AmyPricePhD we'll certainly do something with it. #Jargon Bin is important! #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:54
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Provocative slide coming up on outcomes! #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:55
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RT @UKCochraneCentr: @AmyPricePhD we'll certainly do something with it. #Jargon Bin is important! #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:55
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So what would be needed ? #WeCATS https://t.co/CT3hV5sJJZ |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:55
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RT @uclanodp: @Mental_Elf #WeCATS what would have been usual care for these participants ? |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:55
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I think all the important outcomes were considered #WeCATS |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:55
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RT @sally_crowe: Who should determine the outcomes used in trials? #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:55
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@Jo__Howe I don't think they did - very good point Jo - we need more patient involvement in research. #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:55
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the outcomes section in this paper is quite well described page 3 right hand side #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:55
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RT @lisaburscheidt: @Jo__Howe I don't think they did - very good point Jo - we need more patient involvement in research. #wecats |
@WeNurses
25 June 2015 20:55
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RT @lisaburscheidt: @Jo__Howe I don't think they did - very good point Jo - we need more patient involvement in research. #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:55
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@CASPUK relapse may be too big a jump to aim for. Outcomes may be smaller - Ask the patients what are good outcomes for them #wecats |
@JosefienUMH
25 June 2015 20:55
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RT @beetrooter: *waves* apologies for being so late. Am reading conversation as quick as possible to catch up! #WeCATS |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:55
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@AgencyNurse An RCT with a usual care group (or attention control group) being compared with MBCT #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:56
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RT @sally_crowe: the outcomes section in this paper is quite well described page 3 right hand side #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:56
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@lisaburscheidt @Jo__Howe Hope @sally_crowe will share eyer fab work on this at the end - hot off the press too! #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:56
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@Jo__Howe @CASPUK excellent point Jo! #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:56
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RT @Mental_Elf: @AgencyNurse An RCT with a usual care group (or attention control group) being compared with MBCT #wecats |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:56
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RT @CASPUK: Do you think the outcomes are important for people with depression, or for mental health professionals? #WeCATS http://t.co/r0P… |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:56
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patient involvement at trial design would mean better trials in long run - what patients what and need #wecats |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:56
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RT @Jo__Howe: patient involvement at trial design would mean better trials in long run - what patients what and need #wecats |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:56
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@Jo__Howe @CASPUK yes yes yes! #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:56
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RT @AgencyNurse: Runs to check table 8 #WeCATS https://t.co/SqtUv6Lz0n |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:56
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RT @CASPUK : Do you think the outcomes are important for people with depression, or for mental health professionals? #WeCATS |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:57
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@CASPUK #wecats I would suggest both? As mental health professionals want to work with clients for positive outcomes & for pts same |
@briandavidearp
25 June 2015 20:57
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RT @Mental_Elf: If you notice any jargon during #WeCATS pls help me chuck it in the #JargonBin & define it so everyone can join in http://t… |
@JosefienUMH
25 June 2015 20:57
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RT @CASPUK: Here is a structure (called PICO) to help you check if a treatment research question is clearly focused #WeCATS http://t.co/Elp… |
@CochraneUK
25 June 2015 20:57
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@beetrooter helloooo! You can catch up later too on the #WeNurses page #wecats |
@lisaburscheidt
25 June 2015 20:57
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@UKCochraneCentr @Jo__Howe @sally_crowe Ooh, exciting! #wecats |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:57
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RT @UKCochraneCentr: @Jo__Howe @CASPUK yes yes yes! #wecats |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:57
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overall we chose this paper as it is pretty well written has nice clear tables and figures and interesting! #wecats |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:57
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RT @Jo__Howe: patient involvement at trial design would mean better trials in long run - what patients what and need #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:57
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effective collaboration between researchers and patient groups must be the way forward #wecats |
@gmckee89
25 June 2015 20:58
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@Mental_Elf what is in the #jargonbin already? #WeCATS |
@sally_crowe
25 June 2015 20:58
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What did you think of it though?! #wecats |
@rosieneall
25 June 2015 20:58
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@CASPUK I don't think patients or health professionals were asked for what outcomes are important to them. Interesting... #WeCATS |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:58
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RT @Jo__Howe: patient involvement at trial design would mean better trials in long run - what patients what and need #wecats |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:58
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RT @lisaburscheidt: @Jo__Howe I don't think they did - very good point Jo - we need more patient involvement in research. #wecats |
@AmyPricePhD
25 June 2015 20:58
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#WeCats all people the intervention will affect include patients, they give early news 4 side effects, ease of use https://t.co/ebQ33EWEcv |
@WeNursesToo
25 June 2015 20:58
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What did others think of this paper ? #WeCATS https://t.co/ZJ6wjKCXMq |
@nursingSUni
25 June 2015 20:58
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RT @AmyPricePhD: Do we get 2 C Jargon bin results Use 4 glossary maybe #WeCats https://t.co/vXueLNb5cd |
@HealthUKTD
25 June 2015 20:58
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RT @lisaburscheidt: @Jo__Howe I don't think they did - very good point Jo - we need more patient involvement in research. #wecats |
@irishinneburg
25 June 2015 20:58
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.@Mental_Elf @AgencyNurse What would be necessary to decide about equivalence? #wecats |
@Mental_Elf
25 June 2015 20:59
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@gmckee89 #JargonBin is FULL: Intention to treat, blinding, hazard ratio, attention control group #wecats |
@JosefienUMH
25 June 2015 20:59
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RT @lisaburscheidt: @Jo__Howe I don't think they did - very good point Jo - we need more patient involvement in research. #wecats |
@htona_rus
25 June 2015 20:59
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@Jo__Howe and surely patient/public involvement would point towards a methodology that would minimise loss to follow-up? #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
25 June 2015 20:59
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@sally_crowe i think my mistake was not printing it out ... sounds simple but think it would have helped #WeCATS |
@UoGMHNS
25 June 2015 20:59
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RT @WeNurses: Tonights #WeCATS discussion is around this paper> http://t.co/RtljTB8fyN re mindfullness for recurrent depression & will be l… |
@TaraJLamont
25 June 2015 20:59
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@sally_crowe #wecats Looks like quite an impressive battery of secondary outcomes - lots of quality of life inc m/health ones |
@United4Evidence
25 June 2015 20:59
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Ditto! This is why need PATIENT-CENTERED outcomes research RT @UKCochraneCentr @Jo__Howe @CASPUK yes yes yes! #wecats |
@DrJoHowe
25 June 2015 20:59
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@htona_rus it certainly should! We as researchers need to get out of our ivory towers and start communicating! #wecats |
@AgencyNurse
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@sally_crowe The tables really helped and i understood most of the language #WeCATS |
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