#WeLDNs - Tuesday 2nd December 2014 8:30pm (GMT Standard Time) The #LBBill

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This chat is guest hosted by @JusticeforLB

The #JusticeforLB campaign was established in February 2014 to campaign for changes and improvements to the treatment of people with learning disabilities. The campaign emerged as a result of the death of Connor Sparrowhawk (LB), a healthy young 18 year old who died a preventable death, drowning in a bath in hospital. Connor had epilepsy and autism. Earlier this year we held two joint @WeLDNurses and @JusticeforLB chats as part of the #107days campaign. We have since launched the #LBBill and we would like to discuss it with @WeLDNurses.


The #LBBill is a way for #JusticeforLB to try to change the law. 


We are delighted to be able to share the first draft of the #LBBill with you all. Please have a read of the #LBBill blog to learn more about the Bill and what it says:


http://www.lbbill.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/lbbill-draft-one-launched/


We think that there are two key things that must change. We wish to:


1) make it a legal reality for disabled people to be fully included in their communities

2) make it harder for the State to force disabled people to leave their homes against their wishes, or the wishes of their families. 


We hope that disabled people, their families and allies will want to work together to make the ideas in the LB Bill into a law. We would love to discuss with @WeLDNurses how the law needs to change. We welcome your thoughts on the Bill. We are keen to hear


1) what you agree with

2) what you disagree with

3) any ideas you have about how the law can make life better for disabled people.


If you wish to pledge your support to the #LBBill principles, you can do so here lbbill.wordpress.com/pledge-your-support/ and we look forward to chatting with you.





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The #LBBill blog via #WeLDNs and #JusticeforLB

Team @WeLDNurses have held chats with the #JusticeforLB team before, but this one felt different. It was not about what has gone wrong in the past, but more about how we can change the future. And we need to change.

A comment towards the end of the chat resonated with me, the “main lesson is that there is so much to be done”

The #LBBill wants to change policy, statute, the Mental Health Act, and to achieve this will be a long and at times difficult path. But if it improves the lives of people with learning disabilities we all have to get on board, and travel this journey together.

It was reassuring that a number of twitter chatters have read, and joined the 800 + signatures on the #LBBill pledge. There was a consensus the bill is a good thing, but there are definitions needed to add clarity to it.

What is ‘home’ in the context of the bill, and what is classed as ‘residential’ services needs defining in order to be clear about the remit of the bill and to support the clinical commissioning groups (CCG’s) when sourcing potential services.

One of the elements the bill supports is the commissioning of local services, and we were fortunate to be joined by family carers who cite that having their child living away from home causes anxiety, and when that child is an hour’s drive away, this anxiety increases. We know family carers want their offspring close to where they live, we have known this for years, and we need to start making this a reality.

We also know that standards of care can vary from place to place, trust to trust, home to home, and even shift to shift; so how can we as professionals improve the quality and consistency of care delivery?

How many people with learning disabilities have chosen where to live and who to live with? How many have not?

How can we make inclusion into local communities a reality for people with learning disabilities? We think the bill would support this, through a legal framework.

An important question was ‘does anyone think autism/learning disability where no mental illness should stay within the Mental Health Act?’ We would be interested to hear more feedback about people’s views on this. I have long thought that people with learning disabilities should have their own Act, written with people with learning disabilities, for people with learning disabilities. It was muted that there is less protection for people with learning disabilities under the MCA, we would like to hear more about your views on this.

Many #WeLDNs chats have discussed the need for ‘robust advocacy’ services, and tonight was no exception, but how can we increase the amount and availability of advocates? I know several advocacy services that have to re-tender for contracts every year, so I’m thinking we need robust commissioning to really commit to the development of advocacy services for people with learning disabilities.

The #LBBill is ambitious; seeking to change two Acts, and create another is a massive undertaking in itself. But the complexities around housing associations, health and social care funding streams, sourcing, brokering and delivering quality packages of care, commissioning and advocacy mean there is a real challenge here.

So can we rise to this challenge? Can we use our collective voice to make a change? Do we need a national action plan to support the #LBBill in its development?

Let’s hope we can, because together we are better, stronger and more resilient.

Team @WeLDNurses are @DMarsden49 @samabdulla @salsa442

Many thanks to @JusticeforLB

 

 





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 #WeLDNs transcript

 
@capitalRuss
02 December 2014 20:30
RT @WeLDnurses: While we like a lively debate,please treat each other with respect, everyone's opinion matters #TweetKind #WeLDNs http://t.…
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:30
Well good evening everyone! Do introduce yourselves, even if you're #lurking #statisticsmatter #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:30
Hi it's Sal here in freezing Leicester #waves #LBBill #WeLDNs
@WeSchoolNurses
02 December 2014 20:31
Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/JSqO7X1tDp via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/IC9kzbVHTa
@WeNurses
02 December 2014 20:31
Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/7l8C0aVn9W via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/I2uuWNfjHB
@WePharmacists
02 December 2014 20:31
Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/muors4xEY6 via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/I8KgL7Q6Mb
@WeCommissioners
02 December 2014 20:31
Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/iHkokjnlDQ via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/kyQB9GJxvy
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:31
@WeLDnurses Evening all, Sam in Scotland here #weldns #LBbill
@WeMidwives
02 December 2014 20:31
Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/aLC6TGI5QS via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/ZeCWRO1q9R
@WeParamedics
02 December 2014 20:31
Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/iCSO6fJuwv via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/xcaCg5nIWp
@WeDocs
02 December 2014 20:31
Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/rAfVa1C4bk via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/LW1ry8WQhY
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:31
RT @WeSchoolNurses: Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/JSqO7X1tDp via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/IC9kzbVHTa
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:31
@samabdulla Hi Sam #WeLDNs
@e32williams
02 December 2014 20:31
RT @WeSchoolNurses: Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/JSqO7X1tDp via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/IC9kzbVHTa
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:32
will be lurking #WeLDNs
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:32
@weldnurses Evening Sophie here :) #weldns
@Minh_Alexander
02 December 2014 20:32
RT @WeCommissioners: Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/iHkokjnlDQ via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/kyQB9GJxvy
@acmicaa
02 December 2014 20:32
@WeLDnurses Hi, Anna here - student nurse. Probably just #lurking, but hello all. #weLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:32
@SophieSW14 Hi Sophie, great to have you here #WeLDNs
@PhilipBrayshaw
02 December 2014 20:32
Hi it's Phil normally up in Leeds, but in Plymouth for a couple of days... #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:32
Eek, just managed to log in to this account for the #WeLDNs chat! Hi, Sara tweeting (or retweeting probably :)) #LBBill #justiceforLB
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:32
@gnlgazw love a lurker! but join in if the urge takes you! #weldns #lbbill
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 20:33
@WeLDnurses My brain! Lurking for next hour #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:33
@SamSly2 hello #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:33
@JusticeforLB timing is perfect! #weldns #LBbill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:33
@PhilipBrayshaw Hi Phil, welcome to #weldns
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:33
@samabdulla Thank you Sam #weldns #lbbill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:34
@JusticeforLB Thanks so much for joining us #LBBill #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:34
@acmicaa Lovely to see you here #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:34
Hoping @SteveBroach is also here to cover the serious detail :)) #WeLDNs #LBbill
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:34
Hi all #WeLDNs - looking forward to comments / questions / ideas re #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:34
@chrishattoncedr we love a lurker Chris! Welcome #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:34
We're delighted to have @JusticeforLB tweeting with us tonight #LBBill #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:34
@SamSly2 Hello and welcome #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:34
Also new tonight, if you're sharing a link, please add #EBP so we can add it to our library #evidencebasedpractice #WeLDNs #doublehashtag
@acmicaa
02 December 2014 20:35
@WeLDnurses thank you. Lovely to be here. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:35
“@Minh_Alexander: @WeLDnurses Hi, lurking!”<#welovealurker #WeLDNs
@IPenfold
02 December 2014 20:35
Hi folks :-) #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:35
RT @WeLDnurses: Also new tonight, if you're sharing a link, please add #EBP so we can add it to our library #evidencebasedpractice #WeLDNs …
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:35
RT @WeLDnurses: Also new tonight, if you're sharing a link, please add #EBP so we can add it to our library #evidencebasedpractice #WeLDNs …
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:35
RT @WeLDnurses: Also new tonight, if you're sharing a link, please add #EBP so we can add it to our library #evidencebasedpractice #WeLDNs …
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:36
@IPenfold Hello Ian, thanks for joining us #WeLDNs
@Claire_Ryan12
02 December 2014 20:36
RT @SteveBroach: Hi all #WeLDNs - looking forward to comments / questions / ideas re #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:36
@SteveBroach Hello, great to have you with us #WeLDNs
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 20:36
#weLDNs Hi
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:37
Let's start with a Q. Who has read #LBBill and signed the pledge? #WeLDNs
@sarasiobhan
02 December 2014 20:37
RT @WeLDnurses: Also new tonight, if you're sharing a link, please add #EBP so we can add it to our library #evidencebasedpractice #WeLDNs …
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:37
RT @WeLDnurses: Let's start with a Q. Who has read #LBBill and signed the pledge? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:37
@jesslinworld Hello and welcome #weldns
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:37
RT @WeLDnurses: Let's start with a Q. Who has read #LBBill and signed the pledge? #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:38
@WeLDnurses I have signed the pledge #LBbill #WeLDNs
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 20:38
@WeLDnurses Me! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:38
RT @chrishattoncedr: @WeLDnurses Me! #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:38
#weldns Read both and happy to add my name on the (digital) dotted line. #LBbill
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:39
@SteveBroach #WeLDNs Think it's important that Home is well defined as is residential as used? Is there going to be definitions?
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:39
RT @samabdulla: #weldns Read both and happy to add my name on the (digital) dotted line. #LBbill
@PhilipBrayshaw
02 December 2014 20:39
Have read the Bill - Will sign the pledge #WeLDNs
@WeMHNurses
02 December 2014 20:39
RT @WeSchoolNurses: Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/JSqO7X1tDp via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/IC9kzbVHTa
@WeMHNurses
02 December 2014 20:39
RT @WeNurses: TONIGHT 8.30PM via #WeLDNs The #LBBill with @JusticeforLB http://t.co/m1kkbdYZOW @WeLDnurses http://t.co/9hnCqYdVzU
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:39
@SophieSW14 No need to apologise,we're all busy people #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:39
RT @SamSly2: @SteveBroach #WeLDNs Think it's important that Home is well defined as is residential as used? Is there going to be definition…
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:40
signed and shared #WeLDNs
@Claire_Ryan12
02 December 2014 20:40
RT @SteveBroach: For tonight's #WeLDNs chat on #LBBill, my blog on the first draft may be useful background: https://t.co/px6YSscIoR #justi…
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:40
@SamSly2 @SteveBroach That's a good Q @JusticeforLB will there be definitions of 'home'? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:40
@SamSly2 @SteveBroach how does anyone define home? #weldns #LBbill
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:40
@weldnurses I meant #weldns too. I've been very busy with my SW course. :) #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:40
@SamSly2 Don't forget to add #weldns so we can all see your tweets ??
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:41
RT @gnlgazw: signed and shared #WeLDNs
@sarasiobhan
02 December 2014 20:41
RT @SamSly2: @SteveBroach #WeLDNs Think it's important that Home is well defined as is residential as used? Is there going to be definition…
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:41
RT @SamSly2: @SteveBroach #WeLDNs Think it's important that Home is well defined as is residential as used? Is there going to be definition…
@feltham_amcfcjf
02 December 2014 20:41
RT @WeMidwives: Just started! @WeLDnurses http://t.co/aLC6TGI5QS via #WeLDNs with @JusticeforLB The #LBBill http://t.co/ZeCWRO1q9R
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:41
RT @samabdulla: @SamSly2 @SteveBroach how does anyone define home? #weldns #LBbill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:41
What do you agree with within the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:42
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you agree with within the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:42
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you agree with within the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:42
@SamSly2 #WeLDNs definitely Sam - lots of terms need defining. Will have a go at 'institution' too...
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:42
@samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:43
RT @SteveBroach: @SamSly2 #WeLDNs definitely Sam - lots of terms need defining. Will have a go at 'institution' too...
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:43
What is 'home' and how do we define it? Maybe the difference between living and existing? #weldns #LBBill
@sarasiobhan
02 December 2014 20:43
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:43
@samabdulla @SamSly2 a place a person wants to live and the people they want to live with? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:43
@SteveBroach @SamSly2 We'd be interested in your work on definitions #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:43
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:43
@WeLDnurses for me it argues for local strengthening of care. Thats important. ##weldns #LBbill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:43
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:43
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:43
@weldnurses Agree with everything that I've read so far. Why? Because we need a step in the right direction for PWLD. So important! #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:43
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you agree with within the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:43
“@JusticeforLB: What is 'home' and how do we define it? Maybe the difference between living and existing? #weldns #LBBill”<great Q
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:43
@gnlgazw @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 I love it but I'm not sure it will stand up in court! #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:44
RT @JusticeforLB: What is 'home' and how do we define it? Maybe the difference between living and existing? #weldns #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:44
RT @SteveBroach: @samabdulla @SamSly2 a place a person wants to live and the people they want to live with? #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:44
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I think rooting rights in staying at home excellent. And taking autism & learning dis out of MHA v important
@KayFSheldon
02 December 2014 20:44
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you agree with within the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:44
“@samabdulla: @WeLDnurses for me it argues for local strengthening of care. Thats important. ##weldns #LBbill”<how can we make this happen?
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:44
RT @WeLDnurses: “@JusticeforLB: What is 'home' and how do we define it? Maybe the difference between living and existing? #weldns #LBBill”<…
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:44
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:44
RT @WeLDnurses: “@samabdulla: @WeLDnurses for me it argues for local strengthening of care. Thats important. ##weldns #LBbill”<how can we m…
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:44
if the standard of care outside the home were better there wouldn't be so many fighting to get loved ones home again #weldns #lbbill
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:44
@SteveBroach #weldns will help with that. My bugbear!
@MaryOToole10
02 December 2014 20:44
RT @SteveBroach: @samabdulla @SamSly2 a place a person wants to live and the people they want to live with? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:45
@SteveBroach @SamSly2 the housemates as important as the bricks and mortar! #weldns #lbbill
@PhilipBrayshaw
02 December 2014 20:45
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs this is meaningful, because it is owned by us and not the services or organisations we work for
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:45
RT @gnlgazw: if the standard of care outside the home were better there wouldn't be so many fighting to get loved ones home again #weldns #…
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:45
“@gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns” strapline
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:45
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I think rooting rights in staying at home excellent. And taking autism & learning dis out of MHA v importa…
@HealthUKTD
02 December 2014 20:45
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you agree with within the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:45
@gnlgazw How can we as professionals improve the quality of care delivery? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:45
RT @samabdulla: @SteveBroach @SamSly2 the housemates as important as the bricks and mortar! #weldns #lbbill
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:45
@samsly2 @weldnurses I've been learning about this and I wholeheartedly agree. Was shocked when I found out! #weldns
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:45
@samabdulla @SamSly2 fully agree - home must be about community #WeLDNs #LBbill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:46
RT @PhilipBrayshaw: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs this is meaningful, because it is owned by us and not the services or organisations we work for
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:46
RT @PhilipBrayshaw: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs this is meaningful, because it is owned by us and not the services or organisations we work for
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:46
@PhilipBrayshaw Really like this, how will ownership make a difference? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:46
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I think rooting rights in staying at home excellent. And taking autism & learning dis out of MHA v importa…
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:46
@JusticeforLB #weldns where u feel safe, can be you, live with who you want..
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:46
@gnlgazw But home should be where someone wants to live? Can shift? We all move, repeatedly.., #weldns #lbbill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:47
RT @SteveBroach: @samabdulla @SamSly2 fully agree - home must be about community #WeLDNs #LBbill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:47
RT @WeLDnurses: @gnlgazw How can we as professionals improve the quality of care delivery? #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:47
Breaking off for a minute to help out with poorly little 'un - back soon! #WeLDNs #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:47
@SamSly2 Can you expand about MHAct? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:47
@MaryOToole10 @SteveBroach @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 not at all I agree, home can change from family home. Its what we all do. #weldns #LBbill
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 20:47
@SteveBroach OED defn of home: The place where one lives permanently, especially as a member of a family or household #WeLDNs @WeLDnurses
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:47
RT @SteveBroach: @samabdulla @SamSly2 fully agree - home must be about community #WeLDNs #LBbill
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:47
@MaryOToole10 @SteveBroach @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 but a hospital is never a home #weldns #LBbill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:47
@SamSly2 Completely :)) #weldns #lbbill
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:48
@WeLDnurses by listening to the people themselves and their families wishes and helping them to advocate for themselves #weldns #lbbill
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:48
@WeLDnurses @SteveBroach #weldns really important to making it powerful. This Bill turns providing services on its head. Great!
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:48
RT @SamSly2: @JusticeforLB #weldns where u feel safe, can be you, live with who you want..
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:48
@SamSly2 @JusticeforLB How many PWLD choose where they live and who they live with? #weldns
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:48
@justiceforlb @gnlgazw Agree with this. There is no words to describe home for me. It just feels right. Feel safe and supported. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:48
@SteveBroach Family must come first! Hope they're alright #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:49
RT @SteveBroach: @samabdulla @SamSly2 fully agree - home must be about community #WeLDNs #LBbill
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:49
@samabdulla @maryotoole10 @stevebroach @justiceforlb @samsly2 Agree. #weldns
@Minh_Alexander
02 December 2014 20:49
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:49
@chrishattoncedr @SteveBroach @WeLDnurses This doesn't exclude grey old institutions though? #weldns
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:49
@samabdulla perhaps easier to define where home isn't i.e. in an ATU miles from family #weldns
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:49
@chrishattoncedr @SteveBroach @WeLDnurses #weldns is it not also a basic human right in our society? Or we should make it lol!
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:49
@KnoxMartha No apologies, but please use #WeLDNs so we can all see your tweets ??
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:50
@gnlgazw that i dont disagree with. #weldns #LBbill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:50
@chrishattoncedr @SteveBroach @WeLDnurses Allows a bit too much wriggle room for some crap existing practices? #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:50
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses @SteveBroach #weldns really important to making it powerful. This Bill turns providing services on its head. Great!
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:50
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla perhaps easier to define where home isn't i.e. in an ATU miles from family #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:50
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses @SteveBroach #weldns really important to making it powerful. This Bill turns providing services on its head. Great!
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:51
RT @SamSly2: @chrishattoncedr @SteveBroach @WeLDnurses #weldns is it not also a basic human right in our society? Or we should make it lol!
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:51
@chrishattoncedr reckon we can do better than that Chris ;-) #WeLDNs #LBBill
@TheAsplands
02 December 2014 20:51
RT @SamSly2: @SteveBroach #WeLDNs Think it's important that Home is well defined as is residential as used? Is there going to be definition…
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:51
@samabdulla @MaryOToole10 @SteveBroach @JusticeforLB #weldns should separate once & for all with the Bill the medicalisation of ppl with LD
@TheAsplands
02 December 2014 20:51
RT @SteveBroach: @SamSly2 #WeLDNs definitely Sam - lots of terms need defining. Will have a go at 'institution' too...
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 20:51
#weLDNs Home to a young person might mean setting up in a house with a friend and being independent.
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 20:51
@JusticeforLB @SteveBroach @WeLDnurses Need to define more the 'member of family or household bit'? Think where the difference lies #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:51
@Andie_E @salsa442 Thanks for sharing, it's very hard when our loved ones are miles away #weldns
@TheAsplands
02 December 2014 20:51
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:51
@SamSly2 @MaryOToole10 @SteveBroach @JusticeforLB can i ask what meant by medicalisation? #weldns #LBbill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:52
RT @jesslinworld: #weLDNs Home to a young person might mean setting up in a house with a friend and being independent.
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:52
@SteveBroach #weldns the medical model returns : )
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:52
What inclusive models of care have you seen that work well? #LBBill #WeLDNs
@TheAsplands
02 December 2014 20:52
RT @JusticeforLB: What is 'home' and how do we define it? Maybe the difference between living and existing? #weldns #LBBill
@TheAsplands
02 December 2014 20:52
RT @PhilipBrayshaw: Have read the Bill - Will sign the pledge #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:52
RT @WeLDnurses: What inclusive models of care have you seen that work well? #LBBill #WeLDNs
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:52
to what extent is the bill limited by what can be realistically achieved? Would love to ask for the moon on a stick but in reality...#weldns
@MaryOToole10
02 December 2014 20:52
@JusticeforLB @gnlgazw moving place/house not as common as you might think: economic hypermobility=certain demographics:#weldns #lbbill
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:53
RT @WeLDnurses: What inclusive models of care have you seen that work well? #LBBill #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:53
@MaryOToole10 Do use #WeLDNs so we can all see your tweets please ??
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:53
RT @SteveBroach: @chrishattoncedr reckon we can do better than that Chris ;-) #WeLDNs #LBBill
@TheAsplands
02 December 2014 20:53
RT @WeLDnurses: Let's start with a Q. Who has read #LBBill and signed the pledge? #WeLDNs
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:53
@jesslinworld Think home is defined differently by everyone and important to keep this in mind when supporting PWLD. #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:53
RT @jesslinworld: #weLDNs Home to a young person might mean setting up in a house with a friend and being independent.
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:53
@JusticeforLB @gnlgazw #weLDNs no more 'home for life' that becomes an institution again and then shit happens....
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:53
RT @WeLDnurses: What inclusive models of care have you seen that work well? #LBBill #WeLDNs
@Andie_E
02 December 2014 20:53
@WeLDnurses @salsa442 Yes, I still worry and he now only lives a five minute walk away!! Imagine what others go through! #LBPledge #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:53
“@SophieSW14: @jesslinworld Think home is defined differently by everyone and important to keep this in mind when supporting PWLD. #weldns”
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:54
@gnlgazw The burning question. #weldns
@KayFSheldon
02 December 2014 20:54
RT @PhilipBrayshaw: Have read the Bill - Will sign the pledge #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:54
RT @SophieSW14: @jesslinworld Think home is defined differently by everyone and important to keep this in mind when supporting PWLD. #weldns
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:54
@WeLDnurses the most inclusive care I've seen (in my very limited experience!) has come from faith-based organisations #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:54
RT @gnlgazw: @WeLDnurses the most inclusive care I've seen (in my very limited experience!) has come from faith-based organisations #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:54
@WeLDnurses @JusticeforLB #weldns too few and even those choices are often based on relationships other ppl think they should have?
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:55
RT @gnlgazw: @WeLDnurses the most inclusive care I've seen (in my very limited experience!) has come from faith-based organisations #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:55
@gnlgazw @WeLDnurses That's my experience too #weldns
@allaroundislove
02 December 2014 20:55
RT @JusticeforLB: What is 'home' and how do we define it? Maybe the difference between living and existing? #weldns #LBBill
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:55
@gnlgazw don't think it's unrealistic to have a presumption of real choice and community living. Doesn't cost more @chrishattoncedr #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:55
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs I think rooting rights in staying at home excellent. And taking autism & learning dis out of MHA v importa…
@allaroundislove
02 December 2014 20:55
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses @JusticeforLB #weldns too few and even those choices are often based on relationships other ppl think they should …
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:56
What do you disagree with in the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:56
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you disagree with in the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:56
Does 'home' involve a dimension of love at some level? Or meaning interaction? #weldns #radical
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:56
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you disagree with in the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:56
@ERA_tweet @JusticeforLB @chrishattoncedr @SteveBroach @WeLDnurses #weldns but choice can be twisted by the powerful. If no other options
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:57
RT @JusticeforLB: Does 'home' involve a dimension of love at some level? Or meaning interaction? #weldns #radical
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:57
@SamSly2 so that comes down to difficulties in communicating their choices or the system not giving them a voice in the first place? #weldns
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:57
Anyone think autism / learning disability where no mental illness *should* stay within Mental Health Act? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 20:57
#WeLDNs Should the #LBBill include more details on advocacy, to help people secure the other rights?
@leftontheshelf
02 December 2014 20:57
“@leftontheshelf: @gnlgazw @WeLDnurses is that just because they are faith based, or not for profit also a factor?” #weldns
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:57
RT @JusticeforLB: Does 'home' involve a dimension of love at some level? Or meaning interaction? #weldns #radical
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 20:57
RT @WeLDnurses: What do you disagree with in the #LBBill and why? #WeLDNs
@sarasiobhan
02 December 2014 20:57
RT @BioethicsUoM: #WeLDNs Should the #LBBill include more details on advocacy, to help people secure the other rights?
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:57
RT @JusticeforLB: Does 'home' involve a dimension of love at some level? Or meaning interaction? #weldns #radical
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:57
RT @BioethicsUoM: #WeLDNs Should the #LBBill include more details on advocacy, to help people secure the other rights?
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:57
RT @SteveBroach: Anyone think autism / learning disability where no mental illness *should* stay within Mental Health Act? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:58
RT @AlanRosenbach: @WeLDnurses I have #weldns #LBbill
@salsa442
02 December 2014 20:58
@JusticeforLB Meaningful interaction,care,love, compassion, are all things I require in my home,why should it be different for PWLD? #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 20:58
RT @salimrazak: @JusticeforLB often changing from residential care to supported living leads to a reduction in care #LBbill #WeLDNs
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:58
@stevebroach nope. If MH does present and need detention then apply under MHA. #weldns
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 20:59
@JusticeforLB #WeLDNs yes because we want people to have Gd lives & love so I think it's important.
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 20:59
@SteveBroach @gnlgazw Got to around £7 billion per year spending on people with learning disabilities at last attempt. Underestimate #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 20:59
RT @samabdulla: RT @AlanRosenbach: @WeLDnurses I have #weldns #LBbill
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 20:59
@bioethicsuom Yes. Advocacy important for PWLD if they lack capacity. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 20:59
“@BioethicsUoM: #WeLDNs Should the #LBBill include more details on advocacy, to help people secure the other rights?”<great Q #advocacy
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 20:59
@leftontheshelf I'd think a combination of the two #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:00
RT @SophieSW14: @stevebroach nope. If MH does present and need detention then apply under MHA. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:00
“@AlanRosenbach: @WeLDnurses I have #LBbill”<#weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:00
RT @WeLDnurses: “@BioethicsUoM: #WeLDNs Should the #LBBill include more details on advocacy, to help people secure the other rights?”<great…
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 21:00
@BioethicsUoM I don't know whether other areas would be within its scope but could certainly pave the way for other legislation #weldns
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:00
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs it may be a big job changing two powerful Acts and introducing a major new one? But worth it!
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:00
@ERA_tweet Please use #WeLDNs so we can all see your tweets ??
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:00
@SophieSW14 @bioethicsuom also important with capacity. Communication is key #weldns #LBbill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:01
RT @SophieSW14: @bioethicsuom Yes. Advocacy important for PWLD if they lack capacity. #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:01
RT @JusticeforLB: Does 'home' involve a dimension of love at some level? Or meaning interaction? #weldns #radical
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:01
@JusticeforLB Yes, but my problem is always thinking how a venal service could twist a good principle into something horrible #weldns
@MaryOToole10
02 December 2014 21:01
@WeLDnurses oops! #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:01
Please remember to use the hashtag #weldns so we can all see your fabulous tweets ??
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:02
@JusticeforLB yes, interaction that means something to the person too, not just a tick sheet #weldns #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:02
@SamSly2 @WeLDnurses Love your attitude Sam! Completely agree :)) #weldns
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 21:02
@samabdulla @bioethicsuom Indeed. :) #weLDns
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:02
@WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #WeLDNs as long as it's robust advocacy?
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:02
RT @samabdulla: @JusticeforLB yes, interaction that means something to the person too, not just a tick sheet #weldns #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:02
@MaryOToole10 We'll have you on the #naughtystep ?? #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:02
RT @Andie_E: #weldns I just wonder why not possible to offer help within an hour of anywhere. #LBBill Is it just a demand thing?
@ERA_tweet
02 December 2014 21:02
@WeLDnurses Sorry! #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:02
@samabdulla Absolutely. #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:03
RT @samabdulla: @SophieSW14 @bioethicsuom also important with capacity. Communication is key #weldns #LBbill
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 21:03
@SteveBroach #WeLDNs I do worry that the DoLS are less robust than the MHA, especially with the court overworked after cheshire #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:03
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #WeLDNs as long as it's robust advocacy?
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:03
“@JusticeforLB: @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses Love your attitude Sam! Completely agree :)) #weldns”<so do we! #LBBill #makethechanges
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:03
@salsa442 @JusticeforLB All assume not living alone, or can home be where these things are invited in on the person's terms? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:04
@SamSly2 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM Yes, advocacy needs a spotlight on it in this process. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:04
@ERA_tweet Don't apologise,you're making such awesome comments we want everyone to see them! #weldns
@ERA_tweet
02 December 2014 21:04
@chrishattoncedr @JusticeforLB Don't let the service decide? Separate the decisions from the funders? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:04
RT @samabdulla: RT @Andie_E: #weldns I just wonder why not possible to offer help within an hour of anywhere. #LBBill Is it just a demand t…
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:04
RT @BioethicsUoM: @SteveBroach #WeLDNs I do worry that the DoLS are less robust than the MHA, especially with the court overworked after ch…
@TalkingMats
02 December 2014 21:04
@salsa442 @JusticeforLB also sense of control and.choice about what you do and how you do it #weldns
@PhilipBrayshaw
02 December 2014 21:04
@WeLDnurses People deserve better lives, not just better services. Communities drive meaningful change not organisations #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:04
good h&sc does exist, this needs to be strengthened to meet needs of people for those who family home isnt an option #weldns #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:04
@SamSly2 @BioethicsUoM How can we ensure advocacy services are robust,yet independent? #WeLDNs
@k_runswick_cole
02 December 2014 21:04
RT @SamSly2: @samabdulla @MaryOToole10 @SteveBroach @JusticeforLB #weldns should separate once & for all with the Bill the medicalisation o…
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:05
@SteveBroach #weldns I think removing will be excellent. It's misused terribly to get ppl sectioned because services do not know what to do
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:05
hopping into and lurking on #weldns
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:05
@SamSly2 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM Need room for self-advocacy & peer advocacy - advocacy not a service in itself? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:05
@chrishattoncedr @salsa442 Yep. Good call. Absolutely. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:05
RT @AgencyNurse: hopping into and lurking on #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:05
RT @ERA_tweet: @chrishattoncedr @JusticeforLB Don't let the service decide? Separate the decisions from the funders? #WeLDNs
@k_runswick_cole
02 December 2014 21:05
RT @SamSly2: @JusticeforLB @gnlgazw #weLDNs no more 'home for life' that becomes an institution again and then shit happens....
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 21:05
@SteveBroach That said, thats a reson to fix DoLS, not to discriminate! #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:05
RT @TalkingMats: @salsa442 @JusticeforLB also sense of control and.choice about what you do and how you do it #weldns
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:05
RT @samabdulla: @JusticeforLB yes, interaction that means something to the person too, not just a tick sheet #weldns #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:05
@AgencyNurse Lovely to have you here #looklurklistenlearnbutdontmiss #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:05
RT @WeLDnurses: @SamSly2 @BioethicsUoM How can we ensure advocacy services are robust,yet independent? #WeLDNs
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 21:06
#weLDNs. Do we need a definition of supported living too? eg so not having to share your carer with someone else?
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:06
RT @SamSly2: @SteveBroach #weldns I think removing will be excellent. It's misused terribly to get ppl sectioned because services do not kn…
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:06
RT @jesslinworld: #weLDNs. Do we need a definition of supported living too? eg so not having to share your carer with someone else?
@MarkNeary1
02 December 2014 21:06
@WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM I'd like to see right to an IMCA & not have to rely on LA referral #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:07
@WeLDnurses @SamSly2 @BioethicsUoM Funding arrangement scrutiny for starters? #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:07
RT @MarkNeary1: @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM I'd like to see right to an IMCA & not have to rely on LA referral #WeLDNs
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 21:07
RT @MarkNeary1: @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM I'd like to see right to an IMCA & not have to rely on LA referral #WeLDNs
@MaryOToole10
02 December 2014 21:07
@samabdulla @SamSly2 @SteveBroach see anthropology!.#weldns #LBbill multigenerational houses? but kin based.groups, unlike Supported Living
@MarkNeary1
02 December 2014 21:07
@WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM Even allowing for extra clout of #LBBill - advocacy vital where no one to fight corner #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:07
@JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @BioethicsUoM Who would be responsible for this? #weldns
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:07
@ERA_tweet @JusticeforLB Agree totally - suppose I was thinking of malign systems more broadly too #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:08
RT @MaryOToole10: @samabdulla @SamSly2 @SteveBroach see anthropology!.#weldns #LBbill multigenerational houses? but kin based.groups, unlik…
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:08
@chrishattoncedr @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #weldns totally agree. Don't systemise - that needs to be guarded against in Bill.
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 21:08
RT @MarkNeary1: @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM I'd like to see right to an IMCA & not have to rely on LA referral #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:08
How can LD nurses support the #LBBill in practice? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:08
@MarkNeary1 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM Yep. And I couldn't request an IMCA for LB when he was in STATT. #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:08
RT @WeLDnurses: How can LD nurses support the #LBBill in practice? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:08
RT @jesslinworld: #weLDNs. Do we need a definition of supported living too? eg so not having to share your carer with someone else?
@Sophie_Dishman
02 December 2014 21:08
@markneary1 @weldnurses @bioethicsuom Agree with this. Should be a right, as it can improve care and support. #weldns
@salsa442
02 December 2014 21:09
RT @WeLDnurses: How can LD nurses support the #LBBill in practice? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:09
RT @MarkNeary1: @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM Even allowing for extra clout of #LBBill - advocacy vital where no one to fight corner #WeLDNs
@TalkingMats
02 December 2014 21:09
@SamSly2 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM Like the phrase 'robust advocacy 'what are its hallmarks, how would you evaluate its robustness? #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:09
RT @salimrazak: If autism/Ld were taken out of MHA, PWLD would be admitted under the MCA and have much less protection #LBBill #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:09
RT @SamSly2: @chrishattoncedr @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #weldns totally agree. Don't systemise - that needs to be guarded against in Bill.
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:09
RT @WeLDnurses: How can LD nurses support the #LBBill in practice? #WeLDNs
@WeNurses
02 December 2014 21:09
RT @WeLDnurses: How can LD nurses support the #LBBill in practice? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:09
@WeLDnurses more community nurses would be nice! #weldns #LBBill
@Mwharvey
02 December 2014 21:09
Surely to truly embed the right to remain a citizen within real communities we need to tackle community professionals risk aversion #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:09
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses more community nurses would be nice! #weldns #LBBill
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:10
@jesslinworld #WeLDNs think we should ban the words! They've been totally abused and institutionalised. We seem to do it to everything!
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 21:10
@chrishattoncedr @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs absolutely! Peer advocacy is key, so why not pay peer advocates?
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:10
@samabdulla But what would CLDNs do to ensure #LBBill upheld? #weldns
@1985Deanne
02 December 2014 21:10
@SteveBroach sorry if silly question but wories me why would be referred to mental health services if no issue. #WeLDNs #LBBill #LBBill
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:10
RT @salimrazak: @SteveBroach this still leaves the issue of PWLD who have offended #LBBill #weldns - often forgotten group!
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:10
@TalkingMats @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM an interesting turn of phrase indeed .. surely all advocacy should be robust ? #weldns
@HealthUKTD
02 December 2014 21:10
RT @WeLDnurses: How can LD nurses support the #LBBill in practice? #WeLDNs
@MarkNeary1
02 December 2014 21:11
@JusticeforLB @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM I did for Steven. It took 4 DoLs & 9 months to get an IMCA. LA blocked request #WeLDNs
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:11
I think we need more joint training across professions to enhance understanding of needs for people with LD #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:11
“@Andie_E: @WeLDnurses 2/2 ...but visible evidence of practical support. #LBBill”<#weldns
@MaryOToole10
02 December 2014 21:11
@SteveBroach really need to address issue of brokerage of care packages; putting ppl up for sale? On hidden LA websites? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:11
RT @GuilfordHeike: I think we need more joint training across professions to enhance understanding of needs for people with LD #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:11
@Andie_E Please use #WeLDNs so we can all see your tweets ??
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:11
RT @BioethicsUoM: @chrishattoncedr @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs absolutely! Peer advocacy is key, so why not pay peer advocates?
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:11
RT @BioethicsUoM: @chrishattoncedr @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs absolutely! Peer advocacy is key, so why not pay peer advocates?
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:11
@JusticeforLB @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #weldns only provided by families and people with LD : )
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:11
RT @1985Deanne: @SteveBroach sorry if silly question but wories me why would be referred to mental health services if no issue. #WeLDNs #L…
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:11
RT @samabdulla: RT @salimrazak: @SteveBroach this still leaves the issue of PWLD who have offended #LBBill #weldns - often forgotten group!
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:12
RT @WeLDnurses: How can LD nurses support the #LBBill in practice? #WeLDNs
@MarkNeary1
02 December 2014 21:12
@samabdulla @salimrazak Nope. If the person has a MH diagnosis, the MHA will still apply #WeLDNs
@DionneDaniel5
02 December 2014 21:12
RT @WeLDnurses: While we like a lively debate,please treat each other with respect, everyone's opinion matters #TweetKind #WeLDNs http://t.…
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:12
@WeLDnurses CLDT and other comm based can support familes/carers in community to meet needs, #weldns #lbbill #leastrestrictive
@Andie_E
02 December 2014 21:12
@WeLDnurses Sorry all, this is a bit of a touchy issue for me & my probs nothing compared to others! #WeLDNs #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:12
RT @MarkNeary1: @samabdulla @salimrazak Nope. If the person has a MH diagnosis, the MHA will still apply #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:13
@AgencyNurse Sadly there seems to be at times a lack of advocacy services for PWLD #LBBill could change this! #weldns
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:13
@GuilfordHeike bless the project 2000 cohorts of the past ... 1st 18 months all together :)) #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:13
@MarkNeary1 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #WeLDNs perhaps we can have virtual advocate groups via Twitter & facebook! We seem to be gd at it!
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:13
RT @samabdulla: @WeLDnurses CLDT and other comm based can support familes/carers in community to meet needs, #weldns #lbbill #leastrestric…
@Andie_E
02 December 2014 21:13
#WeLDNs 1/2 Think needs to be more accountability for those in charge of caring for those with LDs, not paperwork or tickboxing...#LBBill
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:14
@JusticeforLB @TalkingMats @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM yes perhaps a discussion all on its own !! #weldns
@Mwharvey
02 December 2014 21:14
@WeLDnurses Take risks and promote self determination #WeLDNs
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 21:14
RT @BioethicsUoM: @chrishattoncedr @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs absolutely! Peer advocacy is key, so why not pay peer advocates?
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:14
RT @WeLDnurses: @AgencyNurse Sadly there seems to be at times a lack of advocacy services for PWLD #LBBill could change this! #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:14
Funny. Removing LD\autism from MHA doesn't preclude anyone from access to MH services. But seems to be seen as doing? #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:14
RT @gnlgazw: @PhilipBrayshaw so the #lbbill needs to work at every level - professional, community and individual #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:14
@Andie_E Please don't apologise. We know this is a difficult area for many family carers #weldns
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 21:14
RT @GuilfordHeike: I think we need more joint training across professions to enhance understanding of needs for people with LD #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:14
RT @AgencyNurse: @JusticeforLB @TalkingMats @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM yes perhaps a discussion all on its own !! #weldns
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:15
RT @AgencyNurse: @GuilfordHeike bless the project 2000 cohorts of the past ... 1st 18 months all together :)) #WeLDNs
@ChiDeltaWithNOR
02 December 2014 21:15
Housing options need to be looked as a holistic part of care, what can be done to work with housing sector on this? #weldns #lbbill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:15
@AgencyNurse @JusticeforLB @TalkingMats @SamSly2 @BioethicsUoM We seem to touch on advocacy in every chat we have so you're right! #WeLDNs
@Andie_E
02 December 2014 21:15
RT @BioethicsUoM: #WeLDNs Should the #LBBill include more details on advocacy, to help people secure the other rights?
@indigojo_uk
02 December 2014 21:15
@JusticeforLB it specifically says autistic people will have access to the MHA for co-morbid mental health conditions. #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:15
@Mwharvey Positive risk taking? We like this #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:16
@Andie_E @WeLDnurses We really want to hear all thoughts, concerns, comments regardless of 'importance' Andrea, so please crack on. #weldns
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:16
@WeLDnurses @JusticeforLB @TalkingMats @SamSly2 @BioethicsUoM its something we havnt tackled directly either #weldns
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:16
RT @SamSly2: @MarkNeary1 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #WeLDNs perhaps we can have virtual advocate groups via Twitter & facebook! We seem to b…
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:16
@salimrazak @MarkNeary1 if act followed properly surely should protect HR as a given. #weldns #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:16
RT @Andie_E: #WeLDNs 1/2 Think needs to be more accountability for those in charge of caring for those with LDs, not paperwork or tickboxin…
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:16
RT @Mwharvey: @WeLDnurses Take risks and promote self determination #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:16
RT @samabdulla: RT @gnlgazw: @PhilipBrayshaw so the #lbbill needs to work at every level - professional, community and individual #WeLDNs
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 21:16
RT @SamSly2: @MarkNeary1 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #WeLDNs perhaps we can have virtual advocate groups via Twitter & facebook! We seem to b…
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:16
@Mwharvey @WeLDnurses Think (supported) self-determination crucial - not the same as choice. Can choose when/how to choose (or not) #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:16
@ChiDeltaWithNOR Great Q, how can we work better with housing department/agencies? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:16
@JusticeforLB @Andie_E @WeLDnurses everyones opinion has value. be heard. #weldns #LBBill
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 21:17
RT @Mwharvey: @WeLDnurses Take risks and promote self determination #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:17
RT @samabdulla: @JusticeforLB @Andie_E @WeLDnurses everyones opinion has value. be heard. #weldns #LBBill
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:17
@samabdulla @salimrazak completely agree - we haven't worked out application of #LBBill to criminal justice system yet #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:17
RT @BioethicsUoM: @SteveBroach That said, thats a reson to fix DoLS, not to discriminate! #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:17
@samabdulla @salimrazak @SteveBroach #WeLDNs my experience & realise not always bt ppl if supported wud have never got into prison
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:17
RT @WeLDnurses: @ChiDeltaWithNOR Great Q, how can we work better with housing department/agencies? #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:17
RT @samabdulla: @salimrazak @MarkNeary1 if act followed properly surely should protect HR as a given. #weldns #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:17
How can the #LBBill and law improve life for PWLD? #WeLDNs
@fcavander
02 December 2014 21:18
RT @SteveBroach: Anyone think autism / learning disability where no mental illness *should* stay within Mental Health Act? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:18
RT @WeLDnurses: How can the #LBBill and law improve life for PWLD? #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:18
@salimrazak which is why we need to strengthen MCA protections #WeLDNs #LBBill
@salsa442
02 December 2014 21:18
RT @WeLDnurses: How can the #LBBill and law improve life for PWLD? #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:18
RT @SamSly2: @SteveBroach #weldns I think removing will be excellent. It's misused terribly to get ppl sectioned because services do not kn…
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:18
RT @BioethicsUoM: @SteveBroach #WeLDNs I do worry that the DoLS are less robust than the MHA, especially with the court overworked after ch…
@bsmyley
02 December 2014 21:19
RT @SteveBroach: Anyone think autism / learning disability where no mental illness *should* stay within Mental Health Act? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:19
@SamSly2 @salimrazak @SteveBroach Can be redirected to health and social care services in Scotland. #weldns #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:19
“@maxneill: .@Mwharvey @JusticeforLB @WeLDnurses the #personcentred approach to risk would help with this.”<yes indeed #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:19
@chrishattoncedr @gnlgazw lots of money to do things much, much better #WeLDNs #LBBill
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:19
@samabdulla @salimrazak @SteveBroach #weldns example setting a fire & telling police no one listened I didn't know what else to do. Crime?
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:19
RT @SophieSW14: @stevebroach nope. If MH does present and need detention then apply under MHA. #weldns
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:19
@WeLDnurses @ChiDeltaWithNOR I think housing sector need to gain a better understanding of needs and strengths #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:19
RT @SteveBroach: Anyone think autism / learning disability where no mental illness *should* stay within Mental Health Act? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@PhilipBrayshaw
02 December 2014 21:20
@gnlgazw The idea of people living their best lives should be a shared vision for all of us. We need to work together to achieve it #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:20
@samabdulla @SamSly2 @salimrazak a link to the Scots law would be very welcome! #WeLDNs #LBBill
@Andie_E
02 December 2014 21:20
@WeLDnurses Think main lesson is that there is so much to be done...#WeLDNs #LBBill
@MaryOToole10
02 December 2014 21:20
@SteveBroach Most ppl don't know this goes on; wud b horrified 'humans for sale' ? have ppl read this http://t.co/5Y6XbdIPNn #WeLDNs #LBBill
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:20
RT @WeLDnurses: @Mwharvey Positive risk taking? We like this #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:20
@Mwharvey Please use #weldns so we can all see your tweets ??
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:20
@samabdulla @SamSly2 @salimrazak @SteveBroach Same in England - I worry about ATUs rebadging themselves as 'forensic' #WeLDNs
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 21:20
@SteveBroach @chrishattoncedr and this money would come from...? Savings made by doing things well? #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:21
RT @samabdulla: RT @salimrazak: @SteveBroach this still leaves the issue of PWLD who have offended #LBBill #weldns - often forgotten group!
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:21
@GuilfordHeike @WeLDnurses @ChiDeltaWithNOR How might that happen in practice Heike? #weldns
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 21:21
RT @SamSly2: @samabdulla @salimrazak @SteveBroach #WeLDNs my experience & realise not always bt ppl if supported wud have never got into pr…
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:21
RT @SteveBroach: @samabdulla @SamSly2 @salimrazak a link to the Scots law would be very welcome! #WeLDNs #LBBill
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:21
@SteveBroach on the spot now! Ill see if i can find the sections. I think its included in our MHA but dont quote! #weldns #LBBill
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:21
@MarkNeary1 @samabdulla @salimrazak #WeLDNs but def of LD & autism over used and abused ?
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:21
“@Andie_E: @WeLDnurses Think main lesson is that there is so much to be done...#WeLDNs #LBBill”<we totally agree,but we're committed to work
@Auragirlie
02 December 2014 21:22
RT @SamSly2: @MarkNeary1 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #WeLDNs perhaps we can have virtual advocate groups via Twitter & facebook! We seem to b…
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:22
@Andie_E @WeLDnurses too much considering that its 2014 #weldns #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:22
@Andie_E @WeLDnurses And how can this be? After so much work? Astonishing #weldns
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:22
RT @BioethicsUoM: @chrishattoncedr @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs absolutely! Peer advocacy is key, so why not pay peer advocates?
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:22
Crikey what a fast chat! We have 10mins left, what are your final thoughts/action points? #weldns
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:23
@gnlgazw @SteveBroach Think it's possible - redirect money from expensive, bad services (eg 0.5 billion per year on ATUs)... #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:23
@BioethicsUoM @chrishattoncedr @SamSly2 @WeLDnurses need to give a lot more thought to advocacy in #LBBill - gaps in Care Act #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:23
RT @MarkNeary1: @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM Even allowing for extra clout of #LBBill - advocacy vital where no one to fight corner #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:23
RT @MarkNeary1: @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM I'd like to see right to an IMCA & not have to rely on LA referral #WeLDNs
@Andie_E
02 December 2014 21:23
Thanks for discussion! Will pledge to become more involved and keep up to speed! #LBBill #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:23
@BioethicsUoM yep! #WeLDNs #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:23
@WeLDnurses @Andie_E That's why we have complete loved for #weldns in the Justice shed :)
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:23
@SamSly2 @MarkNeary1 @BioethicsUoM What a wonderful idea, we love this #digitaladvocacyandadvice #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:23
RT @SamSly2: @MarkNeary1 @WeLDnurses @BioethicsUoM #WeLDNs perhaps we can have virtual advocate groups via Twitter & facebook! We seem to b…
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:23
@gnlgazw @SteveBroach ...cut out endless assessments, weaponised bureaucracy, pointless process? #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:24
@JusticeforLB #WeLDNs the important bit removing the lazy use of locking ppl away because can't think of ways to keep ppl at home #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:24
RT @Andie_E: Thanks for discussion! Will pledge to become more involved and keep up to speed! #LBBill #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:24
Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:24
RT @chrishattoncedr: @gnlgazw @SteveBroach ...cut out endless assessments, weaponised bureaucracy, pointless process? #WeLDNs
@TalkingMats
02 December 2014 21:24
RT @SamSly2: @JusticeforLB #WeLDNs the important bit removing the lazy use of locking ppl away because can't think of ways to keep ppl at h…
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:25
@Andie_E Thank you for joining us. The blog will be posted tomorrow via http://t.co/XLHj4G0PMQ #WeLDNs
@Mwharvey
02 December 2014 21:25
@GuilfordHeike @WeLDnurses absolutely risk is for the taking in the majority of scenarios #weldns not for use as a tool to enforce control
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:25
Here's a challenge - what should be the legal sanctions when things go badly wrong? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:25
RT @chrishattoncedr: @gnlgazw @SteveBroach ...cut out endless assessments, weaponised bureaucracy, pointless process? #WeLDNs
@KaraChrome
02 December 2014 21:25
RT @gnlgazw: @samabdulla @JusticeforLB @SamSly2 @SteveBroach home is where you are loved not where you are shoved!! #lbbill #weldns
@TalkingMats
02 December 2014 21:25
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:25
@WeLDnurses I think it would be good to have joint projects across nursing to increase LD knowledge #WeLDNs
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:25
@ChiDeltaWithNOR there are some great advocates @H_S_Alliance #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:25
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:25
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:25
RT @SamSly2: @JusticeforLB #WeLDNs the important bit removing the lazy use of locking ppl away because can't think of ways to keep ppl at h…
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:25
@JusticeforLB @Andie_E ?? we have the utmost respect and love for you too #WeLDNs
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:25
RT @WeLDnurses: @SamSly2 @MarkNeary1 @BioethicsUoM What a wonderful idea, we love this #digitaladvocacyandadvice #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @chrishattoncedr: @gnlgazw @SteveBroach ...cut out endless assessments, weaponised bureaucracy, pointless process? #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @SteveBroach: Here's a challenge - what should be the legal sanctions when things go badly wrong? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @GuilfordHeike: @WeLDnurses I think it would be good to have joint projects across nursing to increase LD knowledge #WeLDNs
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 21:26
final thoughts - oops I meant to lurk... has been a pleasure though, great to see lots of people on the same page #weldns
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @GuilfordHeike: @WeLDnurses I think it would be good to have joint projects across nursing to increase LD knowledge #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @SamSly2: @ChiDeltaWithNOR there are some great advocates @H_S_Alliance #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @GuilfordHeike: @WeLDnurses I think it would be good to have joint projects across nursing to increase LD knowledge #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @SteveBroach: Here's a challenge - what should be the legal sanctions when things go badly wrong? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@AgencyNurse
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@chrishattoncedr
02 December 2014 21:26
@Mwharvey @GuilfordHeike @WeLDnurses Also the 'safe' option can be in fact incredibly risky in the long run #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @gnlgazw: final thoughts - oops I meant to lurk... has been a pleasure though, great to see lots of people on the same page #weldns
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @GuilfordHeike: @WeLDnurses I think it would be good to have joint projects across nursing to increase LD knowledge #WeLDNs
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 21:26
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@PhilipBrayshaw
02 December 2014 21:27
@samabdulla and not just services - LD Nurses well placed to strengthen communities and increase the opportunity for everyday things #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:27
@gnlgazw Noisy lurkers are the best lurkers, just ask @salsa442 ?? #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:27
care should be delivered in the persons community, however sometimes we all need more. But that should be highest quality #weldns #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:27
RT @chrishattoncedr: @Mwharvey @GuilfordHeike @WeLDnurses Also the 'safe' option can be in fact incredibly risky in the long run #WeLDNs
@acmicaa
02 December 2014 21:27
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 21:27
RT @chrishattoncedr: @gnlgazw @SteveBroach ...cut out endless assessments, weaponised bureaucracy, pointless process? #WeLDNs
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:27
@Mwharvey brilliant quote from Lord Justice Munby - what good is making someone safer if it merely makes them miserable? #WeLDNs #LBBill
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:27
@gnlgazw Always good to be shaken out of lurking :)) #weldns
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:27
RT @gnlgazw: final thoughts - oops I meant to lurk... has been a pleasure though, great to see lots of people on the same page #weldns
@HealthUKTD
02 December 2014 21:27
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…
@MaryOToole10
02 December 2014 21:27
@WeLDnurses @SamSly2 @MarkNeary1 @BioethicsUoM advocacy gd but constant tensions state agencies using advocates' to overrule fams.#weldns
@GuilfordHeike
02 December 2014 21:27
RT @WeLDnurses: @JusticeforLB @Andie_E ?? we have the utmost respect and love for you too #WeLDNs
@JusticeforLB
02 December 2014 21:27
RT @chrishattoncedr: @Mwharvey @GuilfordHeike @WeLDnurses Also the 'safe' option can be in fact incredibly risky in the long run #WeLDNs
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:27
@PhilipBrayshaw as a CLDN im never going to disagree with that! #weldns #lbbill
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:28
@WeLDnurses #WeLDNs they & families won't be terrified of saying need help & instead having loved ones taken away & locked up #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:28
Some really great ideas how to take #LBBill forward, thank you to everyone who has contributed tonight #giveyourselvesapatontheback #weldns
@sfnpr
02 December 2014 21:28
RT @GuilfordHeike: @WeLDnurses I think it would be good to have joint projects across nursing to increase LD knowledge #WeLDNs
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:28
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs they & families won't be terrified of saying need help & instead having loved ones taken away & locked up …
@BioethicsUoM
02 December 2014 21:28
RT @SamSly2: @JusticeforLB #WeLDNs the important bit removing the lazy use of locking ppl away because can't think of ways to keep ppl at h…
@Mwharvey
02 December 2014 21:28
@chrishattoncedr @GuilfordHeike @WeLDnurses So true esp given that an ATU would be stated as the safe option! What risks there! #WeLDNs
@jesslinworld
02 December 2014 21:28
RT @SamSly2: @WeLDnurses #WeLDNs they & families won't be terrified of saying need help & instead having loved ones taken away & locked up …
@SamSly2
02 December 2014 21:28
@PhilipBrayshaw @gnlgazw #WeLDNs hopes & dreams a reality!
@gnlgazw
02 December 2014 21:29
@GuilfordHeike more than just nursing - across every aspect of society because everyone can positively impact lives of PWLD #weldns
@samabdulla
02 December 2014 21:29
Good h&sc does exist, we need to look at that and make it the standard. #weldns #LBBill
@WeLDnurses
02 December 2014 21:29
Do feel free to keep chatting,& add your comments to the blog on http://t.co/XLHj4G0PMQ we'll tweet the link #weldns
@SteveBroach
02 December 2014 21:29
RT @samabdulla: Strengthen local community services, a hospital is not a home, give the access to the right help at right time #weldns #LBB…




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