#WeMHNs - Thursday 27th July 2017 8pm (GMT Standard Time) NMC Education Consultation Chat ( Mental Health Nursing )

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Nursing and Midwifery Council Education Consultation with @WeMHNurses and @MHNAUK Twitter Chat

Nursing and Midwifery Education is currently undergoing a seismic shift, with the introduction of new roles in healthcare and the removal of bursaries for healthcare students.  These system wide changes are set to continue with the introduction of new educational requirements from the Nursing and Midwifery Council.

The Nursing and Midwifery Council(NMC) have proposed a significant reform to the standards of education for Nurses and Midwives.  Rapidly changing healthcare and higher education contexts have informed the desire for a new framework which recognises professionals will be delivering care within the home, employing a range of technological advances whilst enabling nurses to undertake new roles, working within an integrated health and social care system.  The case for change was built upon in an independent evaluation of current educational standards. It  highlighted that there was a desire to:

  • Enhance the confidence of newly qualified nurses
  • Emphasise patients as partners in the care giving process
  • Create greater flexibility for registered nurses to work across arange of settings
  • Enable education to have a greater focus on outcomes
  • Create freedom for innovation and flexibility in practice learningand assessment.

There are two aspects of the educational changes that are currently open for consultation

  1. Standards of Proficiency for registered nurses which outlines what nurses can perform when they join the register
  2. Standards for education and training which provides a framework for the education nurses and midwives are required to undertake.

The consultation on these changes is open until 12th September and responses are invited, including via a survey available on the NMC website

https://www.nmc.org.uk/education/education-consultation/background/

Standards for Proficiency and Mental Health Nursing

The draft standards of proficiency outline the minimum standards that individuals are required to meet to join the register as a Nurse.  In order to meet these standards, educators and practitioners will be enabling students to develop the skills, knowledge and values to deliver high quality person centred care.  The draft proficiencies are orientated towards outcomes and organised under the following headings;

  • Be an Accountable Professional
  • Promote Health
  • Assess Needs and Plan Care
  • Provide and Evaluate Care
  • Lead Nurse Care and Work in Teams
  • Improve Safety and Quality of Care
  • Co-ordinate Care

Unlike previous educational standards, the proficiency statements apply across all fields of nursing practice and don’t differentiate between the child, adult, learning disabilities or mental health field. The NMC consider that this will enable all registered nurses to meet the fundamental needs of people with a range of conditions, physical, cognitive and mental health difficulties, whilst facilitating the provision of care to those with complex needs in each field of practice.  The proficiency statements are supplemented by two annexes:

 A) Communication and relationship management skills

 B) Nursing procedures which outline the skills (within these areas) that nurses require to meet the proficiencies. The annexes are also not separated into fields, although they do recognise that some skills may be required in more depth by mental health nurses.

https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/edcons/ec7-draft-standards-of-proficiency-for-registered-nurses.pdf

Standards for Education and Training

The proposals outline the standards that education and practice placement providers will need to meet in order to run NMC approved education programmes. Five pillars are presented that set out the required standards.

  • Learning Culture
  • Educational Governance and Quality
  • Student Learning andEmpowerment
  • Educators and Assessors
  • Curricula and Assessment

The education standards are far ranging but some of the significant changes include;

  • Mentor role to be replaced by a practice supervisor, practice assessor and academic assessor.  There is capacity for flexibility in how this model is developed
  • Increased simulation hours

Access the draft standards here

https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/edcons/ec4-draft-education-framework--standards-for-education-and-training.pdf

Mental Health Nurse Academics UK

Mental health academics UK was formed in 2003 and represents more than 60 Higher Education Institutions engaged in Mental Health Nursing Education, Research and Policy Development.

In its position paper on the future of mental health nursing, Mental Health Academics UK, outlined a clear case for retaining fields at pre-registration level:

You can read the position paper here

https://mhnauk.wordpress.com/position-papers/

Mental Health, Child, Adult and Learning Disabilities Nursing remain, for now, in the draft standards as separate pre-registration nursing specialisms. However, the shared proficiency statements and skills annexe represent a shift towards reducing the distinctive nature of each nursing field as there is limited reflection of the specialist areas of knowledge, skills and values that are core to each profession. 

Mental Health Academics UK met at London South Bank University in June 2017 and a key agenda item was to begin a discussion on the implications of the draft new education standards and proficiencies, for developing mental health nurses able to work alongside people experiencing mental health difficulties and their families to facilitate recovery.    

 The group recognised the importance of all nurses being able to provide fundamental care that promotes physical and mental wellbeing, which is a position that underpins the draft proficiencies. However, concerns were shared that the nursing procedures outlined in the annexe are dominated by the requirements of hospital based physical healthcare with limited consideration of what high level skills look like for mental health nurses.  The aspiration of parity of esteem is not yet apparent. The inclusion of a small range of mental health orientated communication skills is too limited to ensure graduate mental health nurses are equipped to meet the needs of people we work with.

 Chair of the MHNAUK  Professor Steven Pryjmachuk , @MHNProfSteven on Twitter, summarised these arguments for the Nursing Times https://www.nursingtimes.net/opinion/expert-opinion/revised-education-standards-lack-parity-for-mental-health/7018764.article , whilst vice chair Ben Hannigan, @benhannigan on twitter,  offers further reflections on the implications for mental health nursing and education via his blog https://benhannigan.com/

Lead for MHNAUK’s education standing group, Anne Felton, has invited members representing mental health academic teams across the UK to share their views about the NMC’s educations proposals to inform the groups formal response for September.  Many teams are also submitting their own feedback to the NMC.

About the Twitter Chat

@MHNAUK and @WeMHNurses have now joined forces to gather the views of the mental health nursing profession, people with lived experience of mental distress, their families and students on the draft education standards currently out for consultation, so we can ensure that the voice of Mental Health Nurses as well as people with lived experience of mental health can contribute to the final standards.  

We will be running a chat on Thursday 27th July at 8.00 pm – 9.00 p.m on our regular hashtag #Wemhns .

Please join us for a twitter discussion on this important topic. As with all our chats, this will be a public conversation and everyone is welcome to participate. We are particularly interested in your views on whether the draft proposals adequately reflect the values, skills and knowledge required for mental health nursing in contemporary health services and whether the educational standards provide a clear workable framework to enable the development of these attributes.

This pre chat has been put together by @anne_feltonmh and  @VanessaLGarrity who will also be facilitating the chat.






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On July 27th, we collaborated with @MHNAUK for an important chat about the NMC Education Consultation, which is currently out for comments. The chat was facilitated by @VanessaLGarrity from @WeMHNurses and our guest, @anne_feltonmh from @MHNAUK. It was a popular discussion with 29 participants and an overall reach of over 1 million. 

The general view of the draft framework was that it doesn't reflect the specialist nature of MH Nursing and that it was too generic, with not enough focus on relationships. It was suggested that the standards don't reflect the four fields of nursing and that the framework is dominated by an Adult Nursing perspective. It was highlighted that in Australia, there is a generic model of nursing.  It was thought that this potentially makes mental health care worse, especially as it was said that no one tends to complete post graduate study in mental health nursing and therefore mental health care tends to be delivered by Registered Nurses, who lack mental health expertise.


Communication was a theme that was highlighted as an area of concern within the framework. It was thought that the framework is more focused on the development of counselling skills and lacks scope around communicating with people during an acute episode of care. It was also suggested that it doesn't reflect the complexity of communicating with a person experiencing psychosis or dementia.

In addition, there was a view that the framework lacks a recovery focus and does not sufficiently cover principles around co production, collaboration and therapeutic risk taking. Also, in terms of specialist knowledge, it was highlighted that there was not enough focus within the framework on compulsory care, coercion, risk and other legal/ethical dimensions that are often inherent aspects mental health nursing practice.


In terms of learning, the suggested increase around using simulation as a teaching/learning method was debated and there were mixed views about this. It was thought that it could be positive, in terms of allowing students to practice skills in a safe, teaching environment, but also that it could be an unrealistic and superficial method of learning. There was also concern that simulated learning is expensive and there was a view that there would need to be some assurance about the quality of the experience. 


There was also mixed views about non nurses supervising nurses. On a positive level, it was observed that this approach reflects the reality of multi professional care.


Overall, there appeared to be a view that the framework and its annexes need to better reflect the specialist nature of mental health nursing and that there needs to be more considered focus on values, relationships, communication skills and legal/ethical areas of practice specifically.


Thank you to everyone who participated.





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 #WeMHNs transcript

 
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:01
RT @WeMHNurses: Draft proficiency for #nurses here #Wemhns https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/edcons/ec7-draft-standards-of-proficiency-for-registered-nurses.pdf
@anne_feltonmh
27 July 2017 20:01
Thank you @WeNurses ! Hello and welcome everyone #WEMHNS #NMC
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:01
Hi all #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:01
Prechat info is all here http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044 #wemhns
@eugknuckpick
27 July 2017 20:01
Hello @anne_feltonmh looking forward to a productive discussion #RMN #mentor #WeMHNs
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:01
Hello all - thought I'd better show my face but quite hard to drag myself away from GoT box set (only on series 4) ?? #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:01
Where is everyone tweeting from tonight?? #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:02
RT @anne_feltonmh: Thank you @WeNurses ! Hello and welcome everyone #WEMHNS #NMC
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:02
@WeMHNurses @anne_feltonmh Hi Anne! #wemhns
@ajm398
27 July 2017 20:02
#WeMHNs hi all from leeds
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:03
@MHNProfSteven GoT gets even better :)! Glad you could join us #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:03
RT @WeMHNurses: Big welcome to our host tonight @anne_feltonmh #wemhns everyone wave and say hi :) https://t.co/pMl3urad5b
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:03
RT @eugknuckpick: Hello @anne_feltonmh looking forward to a productive discussion #RMN #mentor #WeMHNs
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:03
@WeMHNurses Manchester #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:03
@HeatherBain9 Hiya #wemhns
@eugknuckpick
27 July 2017 20:03
From my caravan in Cleethorpes! but work in Doncaster #WeMHNs
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:05
RT @MHNAUK: Hello Welcome to #wemhns twitter chat. To start off discussion do the draft NMC proficiencies meet the needs of MH service use…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:05
RT @MHNAUK: Hello Welcome to #wemhns twitter chat. To start off discussion do the draft NMC proficiencies meet the needs of MH service use…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:05
Thank you to @anne_feltonmh & @MHNAUK for collaborating with us tonight & for the excellent pre chat info http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044 #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:08
Have people read the draft nmc proficencies? https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/edcons/ec7-draft-standards-of-proficiency-for-registered-nurses.pdf #wemhns
@VanessaRNMH
27 July 2017 20:08
@WeMHNurses Personally, have concerns that the draft doesn't reflect the specialist nature of mental health nursing- too generic #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:08
What are others thoughts on this? #wemhns https://twitter.com/VanessaLGarrity/status/890650118696955905
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:10
#wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890650447282708480
@eugknuckpick
27 July 2017 20:10
I agree @VanessaLGarrity Far too generic #WeMHNs
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:10
RT @WeMHNurses: #wemhns https://twitter.com/benhannigan/status/890650182865502208
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:10
@MHNProfSteven @VanessaLGarrity Can you tell us more about the problems you have with the annexes for people who haven't read them #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:10
@benhannigan We'll forgive you this once :) #wemhns
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:10
@HollieCPN @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK Hollie it's ok to be more than a tiny bit sceptical #wemhns.
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:12
RT @KWebbNurse: @WeMHNurses #wemhns also skewed towards NHS hospital environment, not carehomes, where MH a@s important as RN expertise
@UCLanMH
27 July 2017 20:12
Chat on now #Wemhns http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044
@ajm398
27 July 2017 20:12
my concern is the absence of SLiP course or #mentor #wemhns
@UCLanHealth
27 July 2017 20:12
#Wemhns chat on now http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:14
RT @UniLeedsMH: Hello from sunny Sheffield #wemhns - proficiencies seem to miss the 'heart' of MHN- not enough on values, relations…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:14
Another question #Wemhns https://twitter.com/mhnauk/status/890651285191405568
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:14
Just lurking tonight, standards don't reflect 4 fields, any ambiguity will = adult domination. Great to see some many Leeds tweets #wemhns
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:15
#WeMHNs I think people are listening now that mental health is important in all areas of health and social care https://twitter.com/eugknuckpick/status/890650835385856000
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:15
@MHNProfSteven @VanessaLGarrity Yes, what are your thoughts on the annexe on communication skills ? #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:15
@BeccaRocksLife Welcome ?? #Wemhns
@RachMc1984
27 July 2017 20:16
@WeMHNurses @MHNAUK Is this not basically taking away all the specialist fields of nursing????? Back to a "generic" training #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:16
@RachMc1984 @MHNAUK Good question #wemhns
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:16
@JohnBaker_Leeds Not like you to lurk John! #wemhns
@livinginhope
27 July 2017 20:18
RT @MHNAUK: Important points @benhannigan @HollieCPN focus of proficiencies seems more about adult critical care #wemhns
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:18
@JohnBaker_Leeds #Wemhns should we not have a lifespan approach. MH equally important in all fields and midwifery
@VanessaRNMH
27 July 2017 20:18
RT @WeMHNurses: First question from @MHNAUK Do you think the draft NMC proficiencies meet the needs of MH service users & nurses ? #wemhns
@UniLeedsMH
27 July 2017 20:18
Quite a lot of detail needs to be added- interpersonal skills are very patchy and incoherent/illogical. #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNAUK/status/890651906476986368
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:23
Yes: which reflects the way mental health care is organised. #wemhns https://twitter.com/heatherbain9/status/890653494754988034
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:25
RT @JohnBaker_Leeds: parity argument #wemhns history shows huge stigma towards mh in physical health settings. The mh teaching/academic…
@HollieCPN
27 July 2017 20:25
RT @JohnBaker_Leeds: parity argument #wemhns history shows huge stigma towards mh in physical health settings. The mh teaching/academic…
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:25
RT @HeatherBain9: @RachMc1984 @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns perhaps that would not be a bad thing, but the order recognises the fields
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:25
All of which are vitally important in mental health nursing #wemhns https://twitter.com/unileedsmh/status/890653496835317760
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:27
#wemhns https://twitter.com/garybeecheno/status/890654254595289089
@anne_feltonmh
27 July 2017 20:27
RT @WeMHNurses: Interesting proposal, what does everyone else think about this? #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890653346570399748
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:27
But the context is very different #wemhns https://twitter.com/wemhnurses/status/890654782863560704
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:27
#wemhns this is nice to hear :) https://twitter.com/JohnCampaign/status/890654210609512449
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:28
@JohnBaker_Leeds No not CPD money - another set of loans for postreg training which just shows why its a non starter #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:28
@RachMc1984 @davidamunday @HollieCPN @MHNProfSteven @VanessaLGarrity @nmcnews @Unite_MHNA Good point Rach #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:28
RT @HeatherBain9: @MHNProfSteven @JohnBaker_Leeds #WEMHNS I like that idea ??expertise can be developed post qualifying, all need strong fou…
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:29
RT @JohnBaker_Leeds: parity argument #wemhns history shows huge stigma towards mh in physical health settings. The mh teaching/academic res…
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:29
RT @WeMHNurses: #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890653606608646145
@anne_feltonmh
27 July 2017 20:29
One definite danger with generic (though I know adult colleagues also concerned about) loss of focus on compassion, person centred #wemhns https://t.co/Ay43Lqv0ZN
@HollieCPN
27 July 2017 20:29
@WeMHNurses @RachMc1984 @davidamunday @MHNProfSteven @VanessaLGarrity @nmcnews @Unite_MHNA Exactly! #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:29
@UniLeedsMH Seems also to focus on counselling skills, rather than working with people who are acutely ill #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:29
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns will be interesting how AEIs interpret them to develop programmes. New opportunities with move to outcome focus i…
@AmateurFOI
27 July 2017 20:29
RT @UniLeedsMH: I agree- there are key things missing, lacks recovery, partnership, co-production, collaboration, taking risks.....#wemhns…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:30
@HeatherBain9 AEIs? :) #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:30
#wemhns https://twitter.com/rugbymumno9/status/890654736512188416
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:30
@Rugbymumno9 @RachMc1984 @davidamunday @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK NO! Integration in STPs not about having generic HC profs who can do everything but about specialists working more closely together #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:30
RT @WeMHNurses: @RachMc1984 @davidamunday @HollieCPN @MHNProfSteven @VanessaLGarrity @nmcnews @Unite_MHNA Good point Rach #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:30
RT @HollieCPN: @WeMHNurses @RachMc1984 @davidamunday @MHNProfSteven @VanessaLGarrity @nmcnews @Unite_MHNA Exactly! #wemhns
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:31
RT @UniLeedsMH: I agree- there are key things missing, lacks recovery, partnership, co-production, collaboration, taking risks.....#wemhns…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:31
Agree, it's about collaboration across organisations within a defined geographical footprint #wemhns https://t.co/QMPrYZex17
@HollieCPN
27 July 2017 20:31
@RachMc1984 @davidamunday @WeMHNurses @MHNProfSteven @VanessaLGarrity @nmcnews @Unite_MHNA Also the time and capacity to keep up to date with such skills? #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:31
@MHNProfSteven @Rugbymumno9 @RachMc1984 @davidamunday @MHNAUK STPs ? :) #wemhns HC- Health Care
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:31
#wemhns we are speaking about undergraduate education https://t.co/X18OMDPEMQ
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:32
The MHN team in @CUHealthSci is cohesive and full of excellent ppl, but we're rel small in number. Like other places, I guess...#wemhns https://t.co/gPJiFu8X0t
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:32
RT @HeatherBain9: @RachMc1984 @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns perhaps that would not be a bad thing, but the order recognises the fields
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:32
#Wemhns https://twitter.com/eugknuckpick/status/890653609972482048
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:32
@WeMHNurses @UniLeedsMH Yes not much focus on compulsory care, coercion, risk not only complex area but also one of unique areas for MHNs #WEMHNS
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:32
What are peoples thoughts around increased simulation hours? #wemhns @MHNAUK
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:33
Sorry Universities #wemhns 'approved education institutions' an NMC abbreviation https://twitter.com/wemhnurses/status/890655534461759488
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:33
@davidamunday @nmcnews @Unite_MHNA Thanks David #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:33
@MHNAUK @UniLeedsMH And also the complexity of communicating with someone with advanced dementia or acute psychosis #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:33
#Wemhns https://twitter.com/rugbymumno9/status/890656241223049216
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:33
RT @HeatherBain9: Sorry Universities #wemhns 'approved education institutions' an NMC abbreviation https://twitter.com/wemhnurses/status/890655534461759488
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:33
@HeatherBain9 Thanks heather #Wemhns
@ajm398
27 July 2017 20:34
@WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns worried of the cost of less practice hours, that they think this can increase student numbers, not enough RN's to support students
@RachMc1984
27 July 2017 20:34
@WeMHNurses I've loved my 3yrs of mh training but would have jumped at the chance to do a course like that! #wemhns
@spiderlegsmooni
27 July 2017 20:34
RT @WeMHNurses: @MHNAUK @UniLeedsMH And also the complexity of communicating with someone with advanced dementia or acute psychosis #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:34
RT @ajm398: @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns worried of the cost of less practice hours, that they think this can increase student numbers, not…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:34
RT @RachMc1984: @WeMHNurses I've loved my 3yrs of mh training but would have jumped at the chance to do a course like that! #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:34
@Rugbymumno9 @MHNProfSteven @davidamunday @RachMc1984 @MHNAUK Do you mean that the STP approach isn't patient focused or the NMC draft or both? #wemhns
@Jones23Emma
27 July 2017 20:34
Really interesting chat #wemhns all welcome http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:34
@WeMHNurses @MHNProfSteven @Rugbymumno9 @RachMc1984 @MHNAUK STP = Sustainability & Transformation Plans. Or @UniteinHealth #SlashTrashPrivatise http://www.unitetheunion.org/how-we-help/list-of-sectors/healthsector/healthsectorcampaigns/stop-stps---dont-slash-trash-and-privatise-our-nhs/ #WeMHNs https://t.co/pB3bPo41sp
@spiderlegsmooni
27 July 2017 20:34
Absolutely.... We where discussing this and welcoming of it... Other thoughts? #wemhns https://twitter.com/WeMHNurses/status/890656199149998081
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:35
@spiderlegsmooni In what way do you think it's a good idea? #wemhns
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:35
I'm ok with the involvement of non-nurses supervising nurses, and indeed with nurses supervising others. Reflects interprof care. #wemhns https://twitter.com/rugbymumno9/status/890655794709921793
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:35
#Wemhns https://twitter.com/rugbymumno9/status/890656773555625984
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:35
#Wemhns https://twitter.com/eugknuckpick/status/890656834561945600
@anne_feltonmh
27 July 2017 20:35
@benhannigan @CUHealthSci We have the same situation @UoN_SHS ! #WEMHNS
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:36
@eugknuckpick @MHNAUK Yes that's really what I'm wondering re how this translates within mental health specifically ? #wemhns
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:36
@Rugbymumno9 @HeatherBain9 That's what happened in Australia; generic nursing made MH care worse; no-one does PG MH & care provided by generic RNs w/out skills #wemhns
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:36
RT @anne_feltonmh: @benhannigan @CUHealthSci We have the same situation @UoN_SHS ! #WEMHNS
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:36
#wemhns I like the flexibility but resource intensive for Universities...who will pay? https://twitter.com/wemhnurses/status/890656199149998081
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:36
What do people think should be in the proficiencies for mental health nurses?? What do you want to see in there? #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:36
@WeMHNurses @nmcnews @Unite_MHNA As an eg, it took ages to put infographic together! Also did a version with number of pages for each of 3 @nmcnews consultations! #WeMHNs https://t.co/jbAH3t90iX
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:36
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns I like the flexibility but resource intensive for Universities...who will pay? https://twitter.com/wemhnurses/status/890656199149998081
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:37
RT @WeMHNurses: #Wemhns https://twitter.com/rugbymumno9/status/890656241223049216
@HollieCPN
27 July 2017 20:37
RT @ajm398: @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns worried of the cost of less practice hours, that they think this can increase student numbers, not…
@spiderlegsmooni
27 July 2017 20:37
More practical based learning actually submerging students into having to talk & think of responses on the spot but in a safe space #wemhns https://twitter.com/WeMHNurses/status/890656859215994881
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:37
@eugknuckpick @WeMHNurses There are some creative examples but to get the best from it, its resource intensive which might limit MHN #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:37
RT @benhannigan: All of which are vitally important in mental health nursing #wemhns https://twitter.com/unileedsmh/status/890653496835317760
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:37
@Rugbymumno9 @MHNProfSteven @RachMc1984 @davidamunday @MHNAUK We are aware and some of us involved and working with them offline, but keeping it open so that everyone can follow within the chat #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:37
RT @WeMHNurses: Interesting proposal, what does everyone else think about this? #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890653346570399748
@UniLeedsMH
27 July 2017 20:37
@ajm398 @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns some simulated learning can be valuable- puts students in situations difficult to access in reality. Needs v good scenarios for sim
@RachMc1984
27 July 2017 20:37
@ajm398 @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK Is it that there aren't to support st/n's or that they don't want to support st/n's? I've met mentors who don't want their student's #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:38
@Rugbymumno9 @MHNProfSteven @RachMc1984 @davidamunday @MHNAUK So people know all the acronyms we're using :) #wemhns so many in health care and education
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:38
RT @WeMHNurses: #wemhns https://twitter.com/garybeecheno/status/890654254595289089
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:38
RT @UniLeedsMH: @ajm398 @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns some simulated learning can be valuable- puts students in situations difficult to acces…
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:38
RT @UniLeedsMH: @ajm398 @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns some simulated learning can be valuable- puts students in situations difficult to acces…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:38
@UniLeedsMH @ajm398 @MHNAUK Could you give us some examples that are mental health nursing specific? #wemhns
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:39
Simulation has a place alongside other ways of learning, and I think can be increased. But practice very impt: need lots of that! #wemhns https://twitter.com/heatherbain9/status/890657133750091776
@anne_feltonmh
27 July 2017 20:39
@MHNProfSteven @davidamunday @WeNurses Has the NMC reviewed this type of evidence ?! #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890657061075271680
@ajm398
27 July 2017 20:39
@UniLeedsMH @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #WEMHNS oh yes great value of sim practice, but not at expense of clinical practice hours change for the right reason..
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:39
@WeMHNurses And there's the question about how #nurse2030 will fit in with Nursing associates & nurse apprentices #WeMHNs
@gowiththat27
27 July 2017 20:39
RT @MHNAUK: Hello Welcome to #wemhns twitter chat. To start off discussion do the draft NMC proficiencies meet the needs of MH service use…
@HollieCPN
27 July 2017 20:39
@eugknuckpick @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK I think it will limit- the ability to communication is fundamental in our role and that cannot be practised in a classroom #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:39
RT @benhannigan: But the context is very different #wemhns https://twitter.com/wemhnurses/status/890654782863560704
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:39
RT @WeMHNurses: #wemhns this is nice to hear :) https://twitter.com/JohnCampaign/status/890654210609512449
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:39
RT @davidamunday: @WeMHNurses And there's the question about how #nurse2030 will fit in with Nursing associates & nurse apprentices #WeMHNs
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:40
RT @ajm398: @UniLeedsMH @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #WEMHNS oh yes great value of sim practice, but not at expense of clinical practice hours chang…
@VanessaRNMH
27 July 2017 20:40
Really important point here #wemhns https://twitter.com/mhnprofsteven/status/890653897022259200
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:40
RT @anne_feltonmh: @MHNProfSteven @davidamunday @WeNurses Has the NMC reviewed this type of evidence ?! #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890657061075271680
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:40
@JohnCampaign @WeMHNurses Such a shame that we're seeing such a cut to MHNs in England! https://adaywithdave.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/is-it-me-or-you-jeremy-mental-health-nursing-numbers-in-2017/ #WeMHNs
@UniLeedsMH
27 July 2017 20:40
@WeMHNurses @ajm398 @MHNAUK Yes- #wemhns therapeutic interventions 1-1 & groups following particular model or approach- students can't do this for real 1st time
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:41
RT @davidamunday: @JohnCampaign @WeMHNurses Such a shame that we're seeing such a cut to MHNs in England! https://adaywithdave.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/is-it-me-or-you-jeremy-mental-health-nursing-numbers-in-2017/ #WeMHNs
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:41
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns will be interesting how AEIs interpret them to develop programmes. New opportunities with move to outcome focus i…
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:41
RT @RachMc1984: @WeMHNurses I've loved my 3yrs of mh training but would have jumped at the chance to do a course like that! #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:41
RT @spiderlegsmooni: Absolutely.... We where discussing this and welcoming of it... Other thoughts? #wemhns https://twitter.com/WeMHNurses/status/890656199149998081
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:41
@UniLeedsMH @ajm398 @MHNAUK Yes makes sense. Do you think that this is a positive area for development within the consultation re increased hours? #wemhns
@anne_feltonmh
27 July 2017 20:42
@WeMHNurses @UniLeedsMH @ajm398 @MHNAUK There will be some at the forthcoming @MHNRconf ! @UoN_SHS use actors for acute scenarios & dementia & ppl with lived experience #wemhns
@gowiththat27
27 July 2017 20:42
#wemhns https://twitter.com/gowiththat27/status/890658415818813440
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:42
#wemhns https://twitter.com/eugknuckpick/status/890658281018011650
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:42
RT @UniLeedsMH: @WeMHNurses @ajm398 @MHNAUK Yes- #wemhns therapeutic interventions 1-1 & groups following particular model or approach- stu…
@ajm398
27 July 2017 20:42
@UniLeedsMH @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns yes safe learning, #RAMPPS for example
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:42
@eugknuckpick @HollieCPN @MHNAUK Don't forget the hashtag ?? #Wemhns
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:42
RT @davidamunday: @WeMHNurses And there's the question about how #nurse2030 will fit in with Nursing associates & nurse apprentices #WeMHNs
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:42
RT @WeMHNurses: #wemhns https://twitter.com/eugknuckpick/status/890658281018011650
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:42
@WeMHNurses @spiderlegsmooni One of the comments I heard was about how 'proper' simulation can be really expensive. So what quality of simulation will be used? #WeMHNs
@RachMc1984
27 July 2017 20:42
@eugknuckpick @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK People do not lay there passive whilst interventions are carried out like dummies do or go easy on you like fellow peers do in class #wemhns
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:42
@anne_feltonmh @MHNProfSteven @davidamunday @WeNurses I could live with a comprehensive RN programme if mandatory post-qual ed for fields followed: incl adult (which does not = generic) #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:43
@ajm398 @UniLeedsMH @MHNAUK RAMPPS ? ?? #Wemhns
@pfrench123
27 July 2017 20:43
RT @davidamunday: @JohnCampaign @WeMHNurses Such a shame that we're seeing such a cut to MHNs in England! https://adaywithdave.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/is-it-me-or-you-jeremy-mental-health-nursing-numbers-in-2017/ #WeMHNs
@eugknuckpick
27 July 2017 20:43
@WeMHNurses @HollieCPN @MHNAUK Oops sorry ?? #WEMHNS
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:43
#wemhns make sure you highlight this in your response to the consultation https://twitter.com/gowiththat27/status/890658555014950912
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:43
@davidamunday @WeMHNurses Nurs assocs supposed to release RNs from 'routine' nursing care 2 allow RNs 2 focus on higher level skills; are these in annexes? #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:43
@benhannigan We've got the eg with #revalidation non-nurse can 'confirm' but must have 'professional discussion' with @nmcnews registrant. #WeMHNs
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:44
RT @UniLeedsMH: @WeMHNurses @ajm398 @MHNAUK Yes- #wemhns therapeutic interventions 1-1 & groups following particular model or approach- stu…
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:44
RT @WeMHNurses: #Wemhns https://twitter.com/eugknuckpick/status/890656834561945600
@LancashireHour
27 July 2017 20:44
@heavensadove what the heck is #wemhns ;-) #LancashireHour
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:44
I haven't noticed this. Has anyone else?#wemhns https://twitter.com/mhnprofsteven/status/890658952899211266
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:44
RT @anne_feltonmh: @benhannigan @CUHealthSci We have the same situation @UoN_SHS ! #WEMHNS
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:44
@davidamunday @JohnCampaign @WeMHNurses Thank you for bringing this to people's attention, Dave #wemhns
@LucybelleH
27 July 2017 20:44
@WeMHNurses @MHNAUK Simulations are great in theory (e.g. to learn from mistakes outside of practice) but in my experience they are very unrealistic #WEMHNS
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:44
RT @WeMHNurses: What are peoples thoughts around increased simulation hours? #wemhns @MHNAUK
@Jones23Emma
27 July 2017 20:44
Great chat, really interesting and so important we help shape the future of mental health nursing! #wemhns https://twitter.com/jones23emma/status/890656700499464192
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:44
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns I like the flexibility but resource intensive for Universities...who will pay? https://twitter.com/wemhnurses/status/890656199149998081
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:45
@UniLeedsMH @MHNRconf Ooh this sounds very interesting. We will look forward to hearing more #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:45
RT @WeMHNurses: What do people think should be in the proficiencies for mental health nurses?? What do you want to see in there? #wemhns
@ajm398
27 July 2017 20:45
@WeMHNurses @UniLeedsMH @MHNAUK #WEMHNS recognising and assessing medical probs in psych setting = RAMPPS
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:45
What would these higher level skills be for MHNs ? Playing our part review @cabutty some suggestions ... #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890658952899211266
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:45
RT @WeMHNurses: What do people think should be in the proficiencies for mental health nurses?? What do you want to see in there? #wemhns
@LucybelleH
27 July 2017 20:45
@WeMHNurses @MHNAUK Eg. Talking to an unresponsive dummy whilst being watched by the whole class becomes purely superficial #WEMHNS
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:45
Need to question quality & no. practice hours, pressured services & mentors, students not be taught/see skills (or valued by some) #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:45
RT @UniLeedsMH: @ajm398 @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns some simulated learning can be valuable- puts students in situations difficult to acces…
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:45
#wemhns do you think we can influence this as I don't think NMC role is for post qualifying education. Accountable at point of registration https://twitter.com/benhannigan/status/890658746405400577
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:45
Looks like there's mixed feelings about simulated learning? Can be useful but not a replacement? Any other thoughts? #wemhns
@tania_linden
27 July 2017 20:46
RT @WeMHNurses: Have people read the draft nmc proficencies? https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/edcons/ec7-draft-standards-of-proficiency-for-registered-nurses.pdf #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:46
RT @ajm398: @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #wemhns worried of the cost of less practice hours, that they think this can increase student numbers, not…
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:46
@LucybelleH @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK So we have invest in resources to make them realistic! #wemhns
@RachMc1984
27 July 2017 20:46
@WeMHNurses @UniLeedsMH @ajm398 @MHNAUK Whilst it helps....it's not the same when with your "mates" in class.....unless you get stuck with me #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:46
RT @WeMHNurses: @UniLeedsMH @ajm398 @MHNAUK Could you give us some examples that are mental health nursing specific? #wemhns
@77McG
27 July 2017 20:46
RT @WeMHNurses: About an hour to go for #Wemhns chat @anne_feltonmh @MHNAUK http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:46
@ajm398 @WeMHNurses @UniLeedsMH @MHNAUK I suspect we can do this better. #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:46
RT @anne_feltonmh: @MHNProfSteven @davidamunday @WeNurses Has the NMC reviewed this type of evidence ?! #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNProfSteven/status/890657061075271680
@UniLeedsMH
27 July 2017 20:46
@benhannigan will it be reciprocal- so are nurses assessing HCPC AHP students? #wemhns
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:47
Quality seems to be a core issue about simulation as well as again realistic for the fields practice #wemhns https://twitter.com/LucybelleH/status/890659470027755520
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:47
RT @ajm398: @UniLeedsMH @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK #WEMHNS oh yes great value of sim practice, but not at expense of clinical practice hours chang…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:47
@LancashireHour @heavensadove Hiya, it's an online community chat run from we mental health nurses :). A community of people interested in mental health #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:47
RT @VanessaLGarrity: Really important point here #wemhns https://twitter.com/mhnprofsteven/status/890653897022259200
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:47
RT @UniLeedsMH: @WeMHNurses @ajm398 @MHNAUK Yes- #wemhns therapeutic interventions 1-1 & groups following particular model or approach- stu…
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:47
RT @MHNAUK: What would these higher level skills be for MHNs ? Playing our part review @cabutty some suggestions ... #wemhns https://t.co/C…
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:47
RT @WeMHNurses: #wemhns https://twitter.com/eugknuckpick/status/890658281018011650
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:48
RT @WeMHNurses: Looks like there's mixed feelings about simulated learning? Can be useful but not a replacement? Any other thoughts? #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:48
@LancashireHour @heavensadove Not as high as you though, yet lol :) #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:48
RT @MHNAUK: Quality seems to be a core issue about simulation as well as again realistic for the fields practice #wemhns https://t.co/plejJ…
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:48
@HeatherBain9 I can't imagine the financial commitment is there. Expensive to add mandatory yrs. Registration seen as sufficient to work anywhere. #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:48
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns do you think we can influence this as I don't think NMC role is for post qualifying education. Accountable at poi…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:49
I like the reference to digital literacy though thinking reality is there's a big skill gap in the existing nursing workforce #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:50
@LancashireHour @heavensadove Nice to tweet you too #wemhns #lancashirehour ??
@Youtoo2U2
27 July 2017 20:50
Nice to tweet U2 #wemhns #lancashirehour
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:50
@benhannigan @anne_feltonmh @MHNProfSteven @WeNurses But saw what happens with workforce development. KSF gr8 opportunity 2 put devp in employment contract 4 NHS staff. KSF undermined #WeMHNs
@JohnCampaign
27 July 2017 20:50
RT @davidamunday: @JohnCampaign @WeMHNurses Such a shame that we're seeing such a cut to MHNs in England! https://adaywithdave.wordpress.com/2017/07/14/is-it-me-or-you-jeremy-mental-health-nursing-numbers-in-2017/ #WeMHNs
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:50
RT @WeMHNurses: I haven't noticed this. Has anyone else?#wemhns https://twitter.com/mhnprofsteven/status/890658952899211266
@HollieCPN
27 July 2017 20:50
@WeMHNurses I found it more useful to practice physical health monitoring #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:50
RT @benhannigan: @davidamunday @JohnCampaign @WeMHNurses Thank you for bringing this to people's attention, Dave #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:51
RT @HollieCPN: @WeMHNurses I found it more useful to practice physical health monitoring #wemhns
@Jones23Emma
27 July 2017 20:51
Any more thoughts about the draft #nmc standards #Wemhns 10 mins to go https://twitter.com/jones23emma/status/890656700499464192
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:51
RT @WeMHNurses: @UniLeedsMH @MHNRconf Ooh this sounds very interesting. We will look forward to hearing more #wemhns
@LancashireHour
27 July 2017 20:51
RT @Youtoo2U2: Nice to tweet U2 #wemhns #lancashirehour
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:51
RT @MHNAUK: What would these higher level skills be for MHNs ? Playing our part review @cabutty some suggestions ... #wemhns https://t.co/C…
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:51
@HeatherBain9 There's a debate to be had about @nmcnews involvement in post-reg ed. 'Spec practitioner' still exist but accred could be by others #wemhns
@UCLanHealth
27 July 2017 20:51
#Wemhns chat has 10 mins left http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @Jones23Emma: Any more thoughts about the draft #nmc standards #Wemhns 10 mins to go https://twitter.com/jones23emma/status/890656700499464192
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns do you think we can influence this as I don't think NMC role is for post qualifying education. Accountable at poi…
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @WeMHNurses: Looks like there's mixed feelings about simulated learning? Can be useful but not a replacement? Any other thoughts? #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @MHNProfSteven: @LucybelleH @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK So we have invest in resources to make them realistic! #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:52
@heavensadove @LancashireHour Haha like that ?? #Wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @benhannigan: @ajm398 @WeMHNurses @UniLeedsMH @MHNAUK I suspect we can do this better. #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @UniLeedsMH: @benhannigan will it be reciprocal- so are nurses assessing HCPC AHP students? #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @MHNProfSteven: @LucybelleH @WeMHNurses @MHNAUK So we have invest in resources to make them realistic! #wemhns
@JMcDonnell5
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @WeMHNurses: What do people think should be in the proficiencies for mental health nurses?? What do you want to see in there? #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @MHNAUK: Quality seems to be a core issue about simulation as well as again realistic for the fields practice #wemhns https://t.co/plejJ…
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:52
RT @WeMHNurses: Looks like there's mixed feelings about simulated learning? Can be useful but not a replacement? Any other thoughts? #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:52
#Wemhns https://twitter.com/debbieroberts6/status/890661166581600256
@HeatherBain9
27 July 2017 20:52
#wemhns what do others think? https://twitter.com/debbieroberts6/status/890661166581600256
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:53
RT @HollieCPN: @WeMHNurses I found it more useful to practice physical health monitoring #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:53
RT @Jones23Emma: Any more thoughts about the draft #nmc standards #Wemhns 10 mins to go https://twitter.com/jones23emma/status/890656700499464192
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:53
@UniLeedsMH Good question. I'd like to think so, but have no idea. #Wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:53
Less than 10 mins to go everyone, thanks so much for joining in. Any other thoughts, questions, comments? #wemhns
@LancashireHour
27 July 2017 20:53
RT @WeMHNurses: @LancashireHour @heavensadove Nice to tweet you too #wemhns #lancashirehour ??
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:53
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns what do others think? https://twitter.com/debbieroberts6/status/890661166581600256
@LancashireHour
27 July 2017 20:54
RT @WeMHNurses: @heavensadove @LancashireHour Haha like that ?? #Wemhns
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:54
@DebbieRoberts6 @WeMHNurses @HeatherBain9 Remember that role play is simulated learning! #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:54
RT @MHNProfSteven: @DebbieRoberts6 @WeMHNurses @HeatherBain9 Remember that role play is simulated learning! #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:54
RT @UniLeedsMH: @benhannigan will it be reciprocal- so are nurses assessing HCPC AHP students? #wemhns
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:54
oops typo ! #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNAUK/status/890661677749882880
@eugknuckpick
27 July 2017 20:54
@WeMHNurses What do people think of the proposed changes to mentorship? #WeMHNs
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:55
@benhannigan @HeatherBain9 @nmcnews Interesting ideas floated in @NHS_HealthEdEng #ShapeofCaring not sure what's happening with that now. #WeMHNs
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:55
We are in the last five minutes of tonight's chat. Any really important points that ppl want to get across, positive and negative #wemhns
@UCLanMH
27 July 2017 20:55
5 mins to go #Wemhns chat @UCLanNurses http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4044
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @eugknuckpick: @WeMHNurses What do people think of the proposed changes to mentorship? #WeMHNs
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @UniLeedsMH: @benhannigan will it be reciprocal- so are nurses assessing HCPC AHP students? #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @WeMHNurses: #Wemhns https://twitter.com/debbieroberts6/status/890661166581600256
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:55
@HeatherBain9 So let's have more investment in research. @Safewards a fabulous example of evidence for MHN practice: there are others too! #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @HeatherBain9: #wemhns what do others think? https://twitter.com/debbieroberts6/status/890661166581600256
@pfrench123
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @MHNProfSteven: @DebbieRoberts6 @WeMHNurses @HeatherBain9 Remember that role play is simulated learning! #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:55
@eugknuckpick Good question Kevin thanks #Wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @benhannigan: @UniLeedsMH Good question. I'd like to think so, but have no idea. #Wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @MHNProfSteven: @DebbieRoberts6 @WeMHNurses @HeatherBain9 Remember that role play is simulated learning! #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @MHNAUK: oops typo ! #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNAUK/status/890661677749882880
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:55
RT @eugknuckpick: @WeMHNurses What do people think of the proposed changes to mentorship? #WeMHNs
@benhannigan
27 July 2017 20:56
@HeatherBain9 @nmcnews If I'm correct, the current SPQ standards were produced by the UKCC in 1998! #wemhns
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:56
@pfrench123 #wemhns
@UniLeedsMH
27 July 2017 20:56
maybe if we had more refined definitions of 'generic' aspects of nursing we would be better equipped to define the 4 fields #wemhns https://twitter.com/benhannigan/status/890658746405400577
@JohnBaker_Leeds
27 July 2017 20:56
#wemhns https://twitter.com/pfrench123/status/890659387475230721
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:56
@benhannigan @HeatherBain9 @nmcnews @NHS_HealthEdEng Here's some of the thoughts @Unite_MHNA had about @NHS_HealthEdEng #ShapeofCaring at the time: http://www.unitetheunion.org/uploaded/documents/Unite%20Shape%20of%20Caring%20response%20to%20HEE11-25044.pdf #WeMHNs
@MHNProfSteven
27 July 2017 20:57
@eugknuckpick @WeMHNurses Gone from 1 extreme (micromanagement) 2 another (do something but we'll leave it up to whoever to say what) - will be race to bottom #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:57
@benhannigan @HeatherBain9 @Safewards Thanks Ben, anyone else got good examples of evidence for mental health nursing practice? #wemhns
@HollieCPN
27 July 2017 20:57
RT @MHNAUK: oops typo ! #wemhns https://twitter.com/MHNAUK/status/890661677749882880
@eugknuckpick
27 July 2017 20:58
@MHNProfSteven @WeMHNurses The proposals are as clear as mud to me at the moment! #WeMHNs
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:58
I think more work is needed re the annexe of nursing procedures to make this more mental health specific #wemhns @mhnauk
@RachMc1984
27 July 2017 20:58
@WeMHNurses We had a session at uni with adult nurses and pharmacy students...really interesting and great to pass on mh knowledge #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:58
RT @eugknuckpick: @MHNProfSteven @WeMHNurses The proposals are as clear as mud to me at the moment! #WeMHNs
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:58
@benhannigan @HeatherBain9 @nmcnews You remember when documents looked like that? https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/additional-standards/standards-for-specialist-education-and-practice/ #WeMHNs https://t.co/qzzxQm8nwJ
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:59
RT @benhannigan: @HeatherBain9 @nmcnews If I'm correct, the current SPQ standards were produced by the UKCC in 1998! #wemhns
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:59
@RachMc1984 Great! Sometimes called interprofessional learning #wemhns
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:59
RT @eugknuckpick: @MHNProfSteven @WeMHNurses The proposals are as clear as mud to me at the moment! #WeMHNs
@davidamunday
27 July 2017 20:59
RT @WeMHNurses: I think more work is needed re the annexe of nursing procedures to make this more mental health specific #wemhns @mhnauk
@WeMHNurses
27 July 2017 20:59
#Wemhns https://twitter.com/rugbymumno9/status/890662911760150528
@MHNAUK
27 July 2017 20:59
Will be including this in our response and thinking about the skills, values and approaches that define MHN rather than tasks #wemhns https://twitter.com/WeMHNurses/status/890662711922540544




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