#WeNurses - Thursday 10th October 2019 8pm (GMT Standard Time) Pursuing a doctorate in nursing

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There are several different routes to a doctorate for registered nurses and midwives in the UK. These include the traditional PhD by thesis, PhD by portfolio as well as professional doctorates. The traditional PhD by thesis route has little to no taught elements, and is a programme of high-level research skills training to advance theory and knowledge in a specific area of focus. PhD by portfolio (also known as PhD by publication) is the submission of a portfolio of published papers following an overarching theme. The published articles will show how the candidate has contributed to the collective knowledge of their chosen field, and will also include a summary statement which will include the critical analysis of their own work. Professional doctorates are different, and are structured with taught elements. However, the submission of a thesis is required and it should advance professional practice in their field of study.

The move to a graduate workforce for nurses and midwives has been driven by the increasing complexity and acuity of healthcare, and will continue as a graduate profession to support the healthcare needs of future populations. However, how can the postgraduate nurse population be harnessed to help shape the future of nursing and midwifery?

     

Recommended reading:

Baldwin, S. (2013) ‘Exploring the experiences of nurses studying professional doctorates’, British Journal of Nursing, 22(8), pp. 476–483.

Cartledge, S. (2019) ‘A balancing act:from clinical practice to research’, BritishJournal of Cardiac Nursing,14(4), pp. 1–3. doi: 10.12968/bjca.2019.0015.

Cashin, A. (2018) ‘The debate on the knowledge product developed in nursing doctorates and the assignment of the PhD to a modernist endeavour in the creation of the contrasting position’, Nurse Education in Practice, 31, pp. 101–103. doi: 10.1016/j.nepr.2018.05.012.

Rees, S. et al. (2019) ‘Higher degrees in nursing:traditional research PhD or professional doctorate?’, British Journal of Nursing, 28(14), pp. 940–945. doi:10.12968/bjon.2019.28.14.940.

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2017/jun/16/support-nurse-academics-nhs-career

     

Questions:

  1. Were you aware of all the different routes to a doctorate? (PhD by thesis, PhD by publication, professional doctorates etc)
  2. If you were to pursue a doctorate, what topic or area would you choose to study and why?
  3. What are the benefits of registered nurses pursuing doctoral study to the nursing profession as a whole?
  4. What do you think are the benefits to patients, service users and the general public of nurses obtaining doctorate degrees?
  5. If you are currently a registered nurse with an undergraduate degree, would you consider going back to university to pursue a doctorate? If not, why?
  6. Last question! The NMC requires 450 practice hours over 3 years for revalidation. However, it is not clear from the advice on the NMC’s website if the hours spent undertaking doctoral research full-time contribute towards this. How do you think the NMC could acknowledge the significant professional development that is a doctoral degree during revalidation?

    

About our guest host

Jo Swindenbank - Jo is a registered nurse who has a background in clinical research. She was awarded a Knowledge Economy Skills Scholarship (KESS) in conjunction with Genomics PartnershipWales and started her PhD journey in April 2019 under the supervision of DrEmma Tonkin at the University of South Wales. Joanne’s PhD project will be looking at the when, where and how of teaching genomics and genetics to registered nurses and midwives. Jo can be found on twitter as @jo_swidenbank and when she isn’t at university she enjoys spending time with her animals and wild swimming along the heritage coast of South Wales.





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@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:01
Hello Teresa here .... looking forward to chatting tonight #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:01
#WeNurses Question 1 https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182370228518436864
@h2cm
10 October 2019 20:01
RT @AgencyNurse: Looking forward to this ... starting in 15 mins #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182335003667177472
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:01
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/Silverangel882/status/1182370390221438980
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:01
Hi Liz here, interested in tonight's chat about PhD nurses #wenurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:02
@WeNurses I wasn't until I heard of this chat and did some reading. Always assumed it had to be a thesis. I have a MSc and would be interested in PhD but don't even have any idea how to start writing for publication never mind anything else! #WeNurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:02
@AgencyNurse Not when I started my PhD (didn't really know what I was letting myself in for!) but familiar with it now #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:03
@gillian_lyall I hear that a lot! To be honest, neither way I until I began my own. #wenurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:03
@WeNurses Yes, but the more pertinent question is whether people understand the difference and therefore which to select #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:03
I have to be honest ... it confuses me .... not an academic ... and the whole thing just seems a bit scary #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182370228518436864
@Ismalia_S
10 October 2019 20:03
Hello! Ismalia here, lurking #WeNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:04
@WeNurses Are there any figures to show how many nurses hold PhDs in the UK? Just curious to know as it seems there are so many more pursuing this than when I trained #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:04
It seems to me that we could perhaps we could do with a road map .. some pro's and cons of all routes etc #WeNurses https://twitter.com/lizcharalambou/status/1182370903616868353
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:04
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/VickyChas3/status/1182371158974484480
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:04
@AgencyNurse The fear/imposter syndrome never really goes away! #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:04
This is definitely something I hear a lot! And until I started my own I was very much in the same boat #wenurses https://twitter.com/vickychas3/status/1182371158974484480
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:04
Interesting question ... anyone know ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/gillian_lyall/status/1182371238565560323
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:05
Join tonight's tweet chat with @WeNurses @jo_swidenbank #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182370228518436864
@HellsPH
10 October 2019 20:05
@WeNurses Only when seriously thinking about what would be best for me, I wouldn't say I had a general awareness before #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:05
RT @AgencyNurse: Interesting question ... anyone know ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/gillian_lyall/status/1182371238565560323
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:05
@WeNurses Presumed it was thesis only as I work with research fellows and thought that was the only route #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:05
Interesting question - I’m not sure! Anyone know? I’ve seen the figures for number of PhD completed overall, but not nurses specifically. #wenurses https://twitter.com/gillian_lyall/status/1182371238565560323
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:06
I hear this a lot. It can seem like a total mystery! #wenurses https://twitter.com/themalenurseuk/status/1182371472192483329
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:06
RT @VickyChas3: @WeNurses Presumed it was thesis only as I work with research fellows and thought that was the only route #wenurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:08
@WeNurses I’d love to continue and do a PhD (having recently finished my masters) but with a busy full-time job I’m not sure how it could realistically be achieved #WeNurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:09
@VickyChas3 @WeNurses If you apply for funding you could also work part time... #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:09
I think this is a really important point .... what is the time commitment, what are the options ? #wenurses https://twitter.com/VickyChas3/status/1182372362106355712
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:09
The time commitment of PhD study is certainly an issue - especially if you’re doing it at the same time as practicing clinically #WeNurses https://twitter.com/vickychas3/status/1182372362106355712
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:10
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/Judith_ekn/status/1182372744505319425
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:10
@WeNurses There's an excellent fellowship programme open to nurses from @NIHRresearch & @NIHRcommunity - https://www.nihr.ac.uk/explore-nihr/academy-programmes/hee-nihr-integrated-clinical-academic-programme.htm. Integrated clinical-academic career pathway from internships all the way though doctorates to senior clinical lectureships. #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:10
@HellsPH Definitely! #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:10
RT @lizcharalambou: @VickyChas3 @WeNurses If you apply for funding you could also work part time... #wenurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:10
@lizcharalambou @WeNurses It’s definitely something to pursue but I wouldn’t want to give up my current job (which i love) and where all my data & research qs come from....#WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:11
Thanks for sharing ... useful link > #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NIHR_RDS/status/1182372861316681729
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:11
@AgencyNurse You can also opt to do a PhD part time #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:11
worth knowing #WeNurses https://twitter.com/lizcharalambou/status/1182373130574151681
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:12
#WeNurses > https://twitter.com/MashlanWendy/status/1182373127411687424
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:12
Sounds like a great opportunity #WeNurses @WeNurses https://twitter.com/NIHR_RDS/status/1182372861316681729
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:12
QUESTION 2: If you were to pursue a doctorate, what topic or area would you choose to study and why? #wenurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:12
@AgencyNurse More important is whether your study relates to your work, when you can align the two or completely different, when you have to switch your head to a different way of thinking #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:12
@VickyChas3 @WeNurses Important point #wenurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:13
@WeNurses @NIHRresearch @NIHRcommunity There's also an mentorship scheme run by @NIHRcommunity - https://www.nihr.ac.uk/documents/ica-mentorship-scheme/20542 - including many nurses in clinical-academic positions. #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:13
Great question .... what would your topic be ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182373406450302977
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:13
@VickyChas3 @WeNurses Another thing I hadn't really considered. Working, family life and a PhD.... Its a big commitment! #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:14
Another fab link Thank you #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NIHR_RDS/status/1182373527376289792
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:14
@AgencyNurse Depends why you want a doctorate, do you want to lead research, or develop your clinical practice or to be an evidence based leader. Different doctorates serve different purposes #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:14
So what are the benefits ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/gillian_lyall/status/1182373691671404544
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:14
That sounds really interesting, and especially pertinent given the need for focus on workforce for patient safety #wenurses https://twitter.com/runnernursephil/status/1182373733383708674
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:14
Food for thought #Wenurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182373824563765251
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:15
RT @WeNurses: That sounds really interesting, and especially pertinent given the need for focus on workforce for patient safety #wenurses h…
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:15
@gillian_lyall @WeNurses It really is! I think we really need more nurses involved in health & social care research! Also, we @NIHR_RDS are here to offer free & confidential expert help & support if you're interested in applying! ?? Find us near you here: https://www.nihr.ac.uk/explore-nihr/support/research-design-service.htm #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:15
@WeNurses I chose a topic I am passionate about (volunteering in dementia/acute wards). Also to satisfy unanswered questions. Important to choose something you love as this will sustain you through the he tough times #wenurses
@RunnerNursePhil
10 October 2019 20:15
@WeNurses Damn auto correct #wenurses !
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:16
Agreed - the traditional route is an intensive training programme of how to undertake research. #wenurses https://twitter.com/mclean1chris/status/1182373994193969152
@Rachel_A_
10 October 2019 20:16
You can take me as a no #wenurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182370228518436864 https://t.co/bZUqxpTcfJ
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:16
@WeNurses The internships scheme is a great place to start to see if #research is right for you! #wenurses
@PUNCtingale
10 October 2019 20:16
@WeNurses If I had the choice I would pursue early identification methods to try to catch deadly diseases before they become terminal #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:17
Totally agree - you’re going to be working closely with your topic, and investing a huge amount in it. This is why I chose genomics, coming from a haemophilia nurse background. #wenurses https://twitter.com/lizcharalambou/status/1182374076435836928
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:17
@gillian_lyall @WeNurses Running a busy department, doing an MSc and having 3 children.....studying was tough....better routes into research needed for nurses #WeNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:17
@WeNurses I'm very interested in the changing roles of nurses, the development of the profession and how this might impact on patients and delivery of care. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:17
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/themalenurseuk/status/1182374458994151427
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:17
@AgencyNurse For me it's about establishing evidence to improve practice & patient care. Impact is everything for me & the reason I decided to do a PhD #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:18
Great reason #WeNurses https://twitter.com/lizcharalambou/status/1182374600988078080
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:18
@WeNurses Absolutely, PhD by publication is for experienced researchers who learnt on the job. Longest route to a doctorate possible #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:18
@themalenurseuk Really interesting! Would you do a co-production project with patients/service users? #wenurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:18
@RunnerNursePhil @WeNurses I am sooooo interested in human factors and their role in healthcare delivery. I think more training should be given on this area #WeNurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:19
@maxwele2 @WeNurses ...and not as 'easy' as one might think.... #wenurses
@emmattonkin
10 October 2019 20:19
And for those living in Wales look out for research funding from the @ResearchWales scheme @RCBCWales set up specifically to build research capacity in #nuses #midwives #AHPs & #pharmacy . Not just PhD study but also First into Research' opportunities #wenurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182373286564548609
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:19
@AgencyNurse The benefit of the @NIHRresearch ICA fellowship scheme is that it allows you to balance continuing clinical practice (& developing those skills) alongside developing your #research career via an intership/PhD/etc. You are funded to do both at a split that works for you. #wenurses
@Mclean1Chris
10 October 2019 20:19
@WeNurses Think this depends A funded PhD may be available - this would be within a broad pre-specified area but you would gain skills and exposure to a wide research community. Studying your own personal passion is possible - but I think a harder route ( funding / support etc) #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:20
Wow sounds amazingly well thought out #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NIHR_RDS/status/1182375108775677953
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:20
QUESTION 3: What are the benefits of registered nurses pursuing doctoral study to the nursing profession as a whole? #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:20
absolutely #WeNurses https://twitter.com/HellsPH/status/1182375239264735238
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:20
@WeNurses I do think the traditional route would be the route for me #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:20
Yes - usually I believe you would have to self-fund. #wenurses https://twitter.com/mclean1chris/status/1182375208998658049
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:21
Question 3 #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182375259925893120
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:21
@lizcharalambou @WeNurses No doctorates are easy, but some are more structured (professional doctorates are the most). Do you want a clear structure or something more evolutionary #wenurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:21
@AgencyNurse It is a competitive process, but support is there to help - contacting your local @NIHR_RDS is a good starting place! #wenurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:21
@Mclean1Chris @WeNurses I would most likely pursue the traditional route because of my lack of experience in research. #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:21
@gillian_lyall I highly recommend it ?? #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:21
@WeNurses Raises the profile of nursing profession (flies in the face of the 'too posh to wash' argument!) #wenurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:21
This sounds interesting #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/1182373286564548609
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:21
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@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:22
RT @lizcharalambou: @WeNurses Raises the profile of nursing profession (flies in the face of the 'too posh to wash' argument!) #wenurses
@PUNCtingale
10 October 2019 20:22
@WeNurses Doctoral study could give a variety of helpful skills and experience that could prove invaluable in a hospital or clinic #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:23
#WeNurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:23
@PUNCtingale @WeNurses I agree, skills I picked up have been invaluable in current project management role #wenurses
@Judith_ekn
10 October 2019 20:24
@WeNurses Contributes to both individual and profession-wide knowledge base, a great sense of achievement and pride too for the individual. #wenurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:24
@NIHR_RDS @AgencyNurse Recent report shows AHPs more successful than nurses and midwives in getting NIHR doctoral fellowships. Nurses generally less aware of requirements and less well prepared #wenurses
@rachaelmajor1
10 October 2019 20:24
@WeNurses Raises the profile of nursing research and nursing knowledge as a distinct discipline. Anything that increases nursing knowledge has to be good #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:24
wow super impressed ... well done ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Mclean1Chris/status/1182376148556288005
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:24
Project management is a HUGE part of the process #wenurses https://twitter.com/lizcharalambou/status/1182376171562029056
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:24
oooh interesting ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182376289845633024
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:24
@AgencyNurse For me it would be the contribution to care and helping (hopefully) improve care delivery and/or outcomes for patients #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:25
Good question - thoughts? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/runnernursephil/status/1182376427611668480
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:25
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/cea_william/status/1182376486076141568
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:25
@AgencyNurse Have been talking with @MRadford_HEECN about how to address this #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:25
@WeNurses Yes #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:25
Thoughts on self-funding? #wenurses https://twitter.com/cea_william/status/1182376486076141568
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:26
@maxwele2 @AgencyNurse That's where we @NIHR_RDS can help - find your local RDS here: https://www.nihr.ac.uk/explore-nihr/support/research-design-service.htm and get in touch. We can help guide you through the process. #YourPathInResearch #StartWithUs #WeNurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:26
@NIHR_RDS @AgencyNurse I think it starts way before the application process #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:26
@lizcharalambou After all, Florence Nightingale was an exceptional statistician #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:27
@WeNurses Can many afford it? Not forgetting pension contributions etc... #wenurses
@Judith_ekn
10 October 2019 20:27
@maxwele2 @NIHR_RDS @AgencyNurse @maxwele2 Do you think AHPs are getting something different in terms of support, or it’s related to their discipline specific knowledge and approaches? #wenurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:27
@WeNurses Soooo many benefits....becoming a clinical expert in your area of study...this definitely benefits pts as you speak nationally/internationally on your specialist subject & provide an alternative perspective to medics....also raises the professional status of nursing #WeNurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:27
@maxwele2 @AgencyNurse Getting a mentor can also be key, for example via @NIHRcommunity's mentorship scheme: https://www.nihr.ac.uk/documents/ica-mentorship-scheme/20542 #wenurses
@RunnerNursePhil
10 October 2019 20:27
@lizcharalambou @WeNurses Direct answer, like it! #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:27
I haven’t read this - but will check it out post-chat! #wenurses https://twitter.com/willball12/status/1182376766708617223
@HellsPH
10 October 2019 20:27
@Mclean1Chris @cea_william @WeNurses Amazing well done ?? #wenurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:28
@WeNurses I think it's great that nurses are doing more nursing research to provide the evidence base. Rather than in the past relying heavily on other professions research findings #WeNurses
@DannGooding
10 October 2019 20:28
RT @WeNurses: Ever wanted to know more about pursuing a doctorate in nursing ? Then come and join in #WeNurses with @jo_swidenbank TONIGHT…
@kaye_rolls
10 October 2019 20:28
@rachaelmajor1 @WeNurses Drs in nursing provide aspirational role models for other nurses. #WeNurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:28
@AgencyNurse https://www.nihr.ac.uk/blog/what-makes-an-application-excellent/10987 #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:29
another great share #WeNurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182377488611192837
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:29
Why undertake the mammoth task of a PhD....? For these reasons #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Judith_ekn/status/1182376249811001344
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:29
@Judith_ekn @NIHR_RDS @AgencyNurse I think it’s more about their socialisation #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:29
I agree - you can’t be what you don’t see #wenurses https://twitter.com/kaye_rolls/status/1182377462564413441
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:29
wow brilliant #Wenurses https://twitter.com/raineymac2/status/1182377494969753600
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:29
@emmattonkin @WeNurses @ResearchWales @RCBCWales Sounds fab...#WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:29
RT @gillian_lyall: Why undertake the mammoth task of a PhD....? For these reasons #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Judith_ekn/status/1182376249811001344
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:30
@maxwele2 @AgencyNurse The research internship scheme, funded by HEE, are a good place to get a taster of #research: https://www.hee.nhs.uk/our-work/clinical-academic-careers/research-internships You can then see if it's right for you. #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:30
QUESTION 4: What do you think are the benefits to patients, service users and the general public of nurses obtaining doctorate degrees? #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:30
Question 4 #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182377868887805953
@PUNCtingale
10 October 2019 20:30
@gillian_lyall @WeNurses The nurse career provides a unique prospective on the patient, as they spend more time with them then some other professionals. That prospective could be valuable for research as patients can be more closely monitored for better results. #wenurses
@CathyAH1980
10 October 2019 20:31
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3: What are the benefits of registered nurses pursuing doctoral study to the nursing profession as a whole? #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:31
Another amazing topic #WeNurses https://twitter.com/IanLi309/status/1182378031215722496
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:32
Inherited cancer syndromes of course......genomics and research....what’s not to love.....I have an amazing database of data....a PhD is calling #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/1182373406450302977
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:32
An excellent and much-needed topic #wenurses https://twitter.com/ianli309/status/1182378031215722496
@Ana_GRubio
10 October 2019 20:33
RT @WeNurses: I agree - you can’t be what you don’t see #wenurses https://twitter.com/kaye_rolls/status/1182377462564413441
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:33
@WeNurses We work closely and in collaboration with members of the public in a wide range of roles. Opportunity for patient led research through participatory action research projects, & ensuring ppi voice is heard #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:34
One of the reasons I left clinical practice for my PhD #wenurses https://twitter.com/hellsph/status/1182378363983409154
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:34
@WeNurses A greater evidence base, greater knowledge and expertise of the profession #WeNurses
@HellsPH
10 October 2019 20:34
@WeNurses Nurse researchers contributing to the evidence for our patient care #wenurses
@PUNCtingale
10 October 2019 20:34
@WeNurses Patients will experience better care and health decisions more of the time, which could increase the efficiency of hospitals, which will then in turn allow more patients to be treated. #wenurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:34
@maxwele2 @AgencyNurse It's also worth talking to the R&D department in your Trust to see if you can get involved in one of your Clinical Research Network's portfolio research study. https://www.nihr.ac.uk/explore-nihr/support/clinical-research-network.htm #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:35
@WeNurses :( #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:35
An excellent point #wenurses https://twitter.com/willball12/status/1182378845946765312
@DannGooding
10 October 2019 20:35
@WeNurses Hi all ?? I haven’t joined in a tweet chat in forever! I’ve been qualified a year and whilst my a PhD isn’t on my radar, never say never, I guess... #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:35
Absolutely - the heart of evidence based practice! #wenurses https://twitter.com/hellsph/status/1182378870319865856
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:36
@maxwele2 @AgencyNurse This will get you valuable insight into the research process & training opportunities such as 'Good Clinical Practice': https://www.nihr.ac.uk/health-and-care-professionals/learning-and-support/good-clinical-practice.htm #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:36
@lizcharalambou I know. I miss it #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:36
Some really fab top tips coming through this evening for anyone thinking about pursuing a doctorate in nursing #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NIHR_RDS/status/1182378982228054017
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:37
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/themalenurseuk/status/1182379089530904579
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:37
@themalenurseuk I feel like nurse research as a whole tends to be very focussed on patient experience, which can in turn lead to improved outcomes...or even just a better understanding of experiences #wenurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:37
RT @AgencyNurse: Some really fab top tips coming through this evening for anyone thinking about pursuing a doctorate in nursing #WeNurses h…
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:38
I’m not familiar with this one, anyone else? #wenurses https://twitter.com/nursemike911/status/1182379560379260928
@DannGooding
10 October 2019 20:39
@WeNurses If I was going to do a PhD, I think I’d either focus on Staff Wellbeing or related to Paediatric Intensive Care. #WeNurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:39
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/vickychas3/status/1182380033433899011
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:39
@WeNurses @themalenurseuk In practice, most nurse PhDs are about nurse education - because University progression requires PhD and Universities pay their staff fees. #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:39
@HellsPH I’m hopefully taking up some bank soon, but there are limits on how much I can work due to my funding...but watch this space! #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:39
RT @WeNurses: I’m not familiar with this one, anyone else? #wenurses https://twitter.com/nursemike911/status/1182379560379260928
@Judith_ekn
10 October 2019 20:40
@WeNurses Familiar with DNurse and EdDs but not Nursing EdD. #weNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:40
I think experience is essential, however developing knowledge and understanding helps underpin practice #WeNurses https://twitter.com/themalenurseuk/status/1182379089530904579
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:40
Absolutely. #wenurses https://twitter.com/vickychas3/status/1182380033433899011
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:40
@VickyChas3 Maybe we need to be a bit more pushy! #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:40
QUESTION 5: If you are currently a registered nurse with an undergraduate degree, would you consider going back to university to pursue a doctorate? If not, why? #wenurses
@Silverangel882
10 October 2019 20:40
@themalenurseuk @WeNurses I think you make a valid point. I think it’s certainly beneficial if the doctorate is in the area in which a nurse is practicing. Having up to date knowledge is helpful the the whole team including the patient. But experience is not something that an be taught #wenurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:40
@WeNurses Yes EdD is a professional doctoral in education. Not a research training but an educator training #wenurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:40
@WeNurses We also have a different perspective on research qs that need asking....research is medical heavy & that’s not always best for patients....#WeNurses
@Judith_ekn
10 October 2019 20:41
@DannGooding @WeNurses What angle of staff wellbeing would you be interested in? #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:41
RT @Judith_ekn: @WeNurses Familiar with DNurse and EdDs but not Nursing EdD. #weNurses
@DannGooding
10 October 2019 20:41
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3: What are the benefits of registered nurses pursuing doctoral study to the nursing profession as a whole? #wenurses
@CardiacCN
10 October 2019 20:41
@WeNurses I definitely would and want to! Anything that raises the academic profile and bridges the theory and practice gap is ok by me #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:41
@DannGooding @WeNurses those are precisely my thoughts too ! #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:42
@WillBall12 @gillian_lyall @VickyChas3 Same with me and my husband #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:43
Support, both financial and otherwise, is vital. #wenurses https://twitter.com/willball12/status/1182380580572487680
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:43
@Mclean1Chris I was mostly impressed with the 8 years ... a commitment to something for that period of time is super impressive ... have know marriages that are shorter ! #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:43
Question 5 #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182380399667961858
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:43
Very important point. #wenurses https://twitter.com/abookclubof1/status/1182380999965061120
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:44
@WeNurses I think we should talk about what each type of doctorate prepares you for. They are not interchangeable #wenurses
@proftomquinn
10 October 2019 20:44
RT @AgencyNurse: Some really fab top tips coming through this evening for anyone thinking about pursuing a doctorate in nursing #WeNurses h…
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:44
Errr ok .... so please give us novices the headlines ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182381293079842821
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:44
@WeNurses Absolutely! I never anticipated the strain it would take on my mental health, especially towards the end... #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:44
#WeNurses
@DannGooding
10 October 2019 20:45
@WeNurses I’d like to do a Masters in Advanced Practice. #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:45
Very true - I’m doing the traditional PhD by thesis route as I want high-level research skills training and a career in research #wenurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182381293079842821
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:45
@Mclean1Chris @WeNurses @themalenurseuk @cea_william Changing sure, and nothing wrong with studying nurse education ?? #wenurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:45
@WeNurses I am interested,but I think for many it seems a far off possibility. When I trained, even when I did my MSc, it wasn't ever discussed as a possibility. It's only since I made the recent transition from clinical practice to education that I've considered it #WeNurses
@HellsPH
10 October 2019 20:46
@Mclean1Chris @WeNurses True but in reality it doesn't feel important what Uni write on the form but paying your own fees feels huge! #wenurses
@WeMidwives
10 October 2019 20:46
If you’re on the #WeNurses channel pop over to #WeMidwives go join our chat with @FGMSisterStudy for a few minutes ....
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:46
@Mclean1Chris only one years suspension ! (i don't know the rules i have to admit) #Wenurses
@dianelewis6039
10 October 2019 20:46
@WeNurses No. Too old. #wenurses.
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:47
It can be hard once in clinical practice to imagine yourself going back to university. #wenurses https://twitter.com/gillian_lyall/status/1182381715215585280
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:47
@gillian_lyall @WeNurses Nurses & PhDs are up & coming. I remember when I started nursing that degrees were few & far between #stoneage #wenurses
@katiePUNC19
10 October 2019 20:47
@WeNurses It can allow nurses to provide better care to patients as there would be a greater amount of knowledge #WeNurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:47
@AgencyNurse PhD = training to lead research as principal investigator (but needs post doc experience before will be given big grants including NIHR) #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:48
@dianelewis6039 @WeNurses I started mine at 50 #nevertooold #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:48
Anyone else with a masters? I actually came from undergrad via 6 years in practice. #wenurses https://twitter.com/gillian_lyall/status/1182381905561423874
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:48
@abookclubof1 @WeNurses @haemnet This is vital & why PROMs are becoming soooo important....why have we not realised this sooner......#WeNurses
@katiePUNC19
10 October 2019 20:48
@WeNurses Could become an aspiration for many nurses which would improve the quality of nursing care being provided #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:49
@Mclean1Chris I am learning lots tonight - i did not know this #WeNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:49
@maxwele2 @WeNurses I hadn't considered this, you explain more? #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:49
And co-production, giving patients and service users the chance to shape research from the very inception of the project! #wenurses https://twitter.com/vickychas3/status/1182382363671777280
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:49
RT @katiePUNC19: @WeNurses It can allow nurses to provide better care to patients as there would be a greater amount of knowledge #WeNurses
@WeMidwives
10 October 2019 20:49
RT @WeMidwives: If you’re on the #WeNurses channel pop over to #WeMidwives go join our chat with @FGMSisterStudy for a few minutes ....
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:49
@WeNurses Yes, found it very helpful to start PhD with MSc. Felt it gave me a head start #wenurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:49
@AgencyNurse Professional doctorates (Nursing, Educational) = doctoral preparation for clinical practice, leadership and education roles. More structured and longer taught element. Shorter research project with lower word count for thesis #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:50
@Ade_Welsh Happy first day! #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:50
RT @lizcharalambou: @WeNurses Yes, found it very helpful to start PhD with MSc. Felt it gave me a head start #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:50
#WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:50
#WeNurses (not enough characters!)
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:50
@WeNurses I fully support patient involvement....I always tell my patients they are the experts in their condition....they can give us all the research qs we need....#WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:51
#WeNurses Question 6 :D https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182382918603280384
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:51
@WeNurses i like what you did there ;D #WeNurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:51
@AgencyNurse PhD by publication = experienced researchers who demonstrate that have met PhD level by using their publications in high impact journal as the basis of their thesis (rather than collecting new data) #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:51
@WeNurses It counts as research practice so should be ok for revalidation #wenurses
@HomefirstS
10 October 2019 20:52
RT @WeNurses: Very important point. #wenurses https://twitter.com/abookclubof1/status/1182380999965061120
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:52
@WeNurses @Mclean1Chris @themalenurseuk @cea_william And REF is changing to look at impact as much as high impact journal publications #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:52
I hear this a lot, but I honestly think that it’s more about determination that being clever. It’s all about your development, the journey is as important as the degree I think. #wenurses https://twitter.com/meloncarrier/status/1182382938752720896
@abookclubof1
10 October 2019 20:53
@WeNurses I often have a problem with the term Nursing research. I really dont understand or recognise it as an entity. For me research is research, who does it is irrelevant. The only relevance for me is does it improve a patients experience. #wenurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:53
@WeNurses Also important to check out @LindAlliance to see what research questions have been prioritised in your area of practice/interest. #wenurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:53
@WeNurses Definitely! #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:53
@zoecoton I’m currently a full-time PhD student at @USWCareSciences #WeNurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:53
@WeNurses As long as it was PT and I could keep doing my amazing job....#WeNurses
@DannGooding
10 October 2019 20:53
@Judith_ekn @WeNurses Improving moral of nurses & how management can be more supportive and what actually works. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:53
#WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:54
More info on PhD by publication. #wenurses https://twitter.com/jogibsonuclan/status/1182383041945198602
@Shaun_LDNurse
10 October 2019 20:54
@WeNurses In the States there’s a relationship betwn some areas/roles in advance practice. In the UK link is less so obvious. Advance practice [with without doctorates] and the role of clinician researchers needs more definition if the public is going to benefit to the fullest. #WeNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:54
Discussing the different routes to PhD #WeNurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182382769520939008
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:54
RT @lizcharalambou: @WeNurses It counts as research practice so should be ok for revalidation #wenurses
@Mclean1Chris
10 October 2019 20:55
@lizcharalambou @WeNurses PhD recipe 1% inspiration. 99% perspiration (100% sheer bloody mindedness ) #WeNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 20:55
@AgencyNurse @maxwele2 thank you for explaining #WeNurses
@HellsPH
10 October 2019 20:55
@WeNurses If you can demonstrate you're using your nursing knowledge and skills then should meet revalidation requirements. Nurse managers no longer practising clinically revalidate. #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:55
Thoughts? #wenurses https://twitter.com/abookclubof1/status/1182383565721477123
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:55
#WeNurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 20:56
@abookclubof1 @WeNurses Depends what lens you are using. Medical focus on diabetes is different from dietician and from nurse. And if you don’t believe there are different lens, why do we have different professions? #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:56
@sharonneill5 I totally agree - I’m lucky to be in a financial position where it was possible for me to go back to uni full time #WeNurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:56
RT @VickyChas3: @WeNurses As long as it was PT and I could keep doing my amazing job....#WeNurses
@abookclubof1
10 October 2019 20:56
@WeNurses It is a worry if you are doing a full time PhD and I can understand why you would be concerned about your revalidation #WeNurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:56
@WeNurses #WeNurses
@lizcharalambou
10 October 2019 20:56
@Mclean1Chris @WeNurses Yup! Its a case of dragging yourself to the finish line! #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:56
Professional doctorate experience ?? #wenurses https://twitter.com/claire_nadaf/status/1182384035785564161
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:57
@Shaun_LDNurse @WeNurses Completely agree #WeNurses.... the importance of doctoral study for nurses needs to be recognised & invested in...
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:57
Excellent point re: nursing research. #wenurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182384316913012737
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:58
As a full-time student, this is my concern. #wenurses https://twitter.com/abookclubof1/status/1182384386030878721
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 20:58
@maxwele2 @abookclubof1 @WeNurses I think it's all about the specific research question you're trying to answer & the right getting th e right team/design/methods/data/analysis/etc. to answer it. #wenurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 20:59
RT @WeNurses: Excellent point re: nursing research. #wenurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/1182384316913012737
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 20:59
THANK YOU @jo_swidenbank ... what a really interesting #WeNurses .... learnt lots this evening :) (and also you did amazingly tweeting as @WeNurses)
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 20:59
Interesting! How long have you been in research? This route isn’t one I’m all that familiar with #wenurses
@WeNurses
10 October 2019 21:00
@Cornishchuckle This is great to hear! ?? #WeNurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 21:00
@maxwele2 @abookclubof1 @WeNurses And we need representation from all health professions in health research (& service users!!) to ensure we're asking the right questions! #wenurses
@clarepricedowd
10 October 2019 21:00
RT @WeNurses: I agree - you can’t be what you don’t see #wenurses https://twitter.com/kaye_rolls/status/1182377462564413441
@HellsPH
10 October 2019 21:00
@claire_nadaf @maxwele2 @WeNurses @Gary_Francis_79 @rayhealy Totally agree. Traditional route of PhD needs you to have a fairly well developed plan to apply for funding. The Prof Doc supports you to develop your research protocol as you develop your skills. #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
10 October 2019 21:02
@WeNurses @jo_swidenbank truly awesome job :D #WeNurses
@emmattonkin
10 October 2019 21:02
RT @AgencyNurse: THANK YOU @jo_swidenbank ... what a really interesting #WeNurses .... learnt lots this evening :) (and also you did amaz…
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 21:02
RT @WeNurses: More info on PhD by publication. #wenurses https://twitter.com/jogibsonuclan/status/1182383041945198602
@JodyEdeOx
10 October 2019 21:02
@NIHR_RDS @maxwele2 @AgencyNurse I am being interviewed in November for the CDRF fellowship. One of the key things for me has been the focus on using the application process to develop myself and my clinical career in a variety of ways as well as the research project @NIHRresearch #wenurses
@claire_nadaf
10 October 2019 21:02
@HellsPH @maxwele2 @WeNurses @Gary_Francis_79 @rayhealy Also I feel it drove me to do something really relevant (hopefully) to clinical practice that hopefully has some impact #alwayshopeful #wenurses
@abookclubof1
10 October 2019 21:02
@WeNurses @AgencyNurse @jo_swidenbank Thanks for a great discussion Jo. #WeNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 21:03
@WeNurses @AgencyNurse @jo_swidenbank Thanks for hosting, I really enjoyed this tweet chat. Definitely given me lots to think about #WeNurses
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 21:03
@abookclubof1 @WeNurses I don’t think the lens determines the ontology or epistemology, but it does direct the gaze #wenurses
@HellsPH
10 October 2019 21:04
@AgencyNurse @WeNurses @jo_swidenbank Thanks @jo_swidenbank it's great to see we have a nursing doctoral community ?? #wenurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 21:04
Well worth looking at the #WeNurses tweetchat tonight....let’s get more nurses doing doctoral study. Thanks @jo_swidenbank https://twitter.com/agencynurse/status/1182385127269294081
@G_Stephens80
10 October 2019 21:05
So gutted I missed tonight twitter chat #wenurses, will have to have a good catch up.
@themalenurseuk
10 October 2019 21:06
@Shaun_LDNurse @WeNurses My background is advance practice, I think this would be a pivitol move for advanced practice, that our seniors/nurse consultants have a PhD - with knowledge and involvement in research and Healthcare improvements in there specialists area. #WeNurses
@VickyChas3
10 October 2019 21:07
@jo_swidenbank Loved it....thanks Jo...all 3 kids sitting up & not in bed...parenting & tweetchats are hard to multitask on ?? #WeNurses
@gillian_lyall
10 October 2019 21:08
@G_Stephens80 You missed a good one! Lots of food for thought ?? #WeNurses
@NIHR_RDS
10 October 2019 21:09
@jo_swidenbank That's what I'm here for!! Thank you so much for a fab tweetchat. Hopefully we'll see more nurses coming to us for support with research applications! ?? #wenurses
@JodyEdeOx
10 October 2019 21:09
RT @AgencyNurse: Some really fab top tips coming through this evening for anyone thinking about pursuing a doctorate in nursing #WeNurses h…
@Jo3_NHS
10 October 2019 21:14
I ask myself this question on a monthly basis ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182373406450302977
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 21:15
@WeNurses Why? Many people who never see a patient revalidate without a problem. R.E. validation is about refreshing and reflecting, what could be better than a PhD for that? #wenurses
@kaye_rolls
10 October 2019 21:17
@maxwele2 @abookclubof1 @WeNurses 2/3 influence our passions & choices, thereby driving us in acertain direction. By not boxing research into discipline boxes it gives researchers permission to take on the method that best suits their passion #WeNurses
@Jo3_NHS
10 October 2019 21:19
Considering how dynamic the healthcare landscape is the profession needs to keep up with time and changing models of care and evidence #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182375259925893120
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 21:19
@Mclean1Chris @abookclubof1 @WeNurses We need a face to face debate! My PhD concluded on the pivotal importance of social identities for workplace jurisdictions #wenurses
@kaye_rolls
10 October 2019 21:19
@maxwele2 @abookclubof1 @WeNurses 3/3 nurses researchers have been criticised for spending too much time on observational rather than intervention research. There are many reasons for this, incl a lack of understanding of the problem which necessitates observation first, & a lack of funding #WeNurses
@Jo3_NHS
10 October 2019 21:21
Yes sometime in the future, in a way that fits in with work. #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1182380399667961858
@maxwele2
10 October 2019 21:22
@kaye_rolls @abookclubof1 @WeNurses Too much research looks at associations with interventions without understanding causal mechanisms. Complex system make identifying and controlling for independent variables difficult. We need a broad range of enquiry #wenurses
@kaye_rolls
10 October 2019 21:24
@maxwele2 @abookclubof1 @WeNurses absolutely too much research $$$ have been wasted on interventions without understanding the problem #WeNurses




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