#WeDNs - Thursday 26th September 2019 8pm (GMT Standard Time)
Supervision and Assessment in Practice
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Previously, Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) guidance on standards for learning and assessment in practice advises that Specialist Community Practice Qualification (SPQ) District Nurse (DN )students should be supervised and assessed in practice by a practitioner who holds a minimum of sign off mentor status and is recorded as a Community Specialist Practitioner with the NMC (NMC 2008). Frequently, many SPQ DN courses go beyond this and advocate the use of qualified practice teachers, similar to those supervising and assessing practice on sister courses such as Specialist Community Public Health Nursing (NMC 2004, NMC 2008).
The new guidance published by theNMC last year advised a new model for supervision and assessment, which introduced two new roles: Practice Supervisor and Practice Assessor (NMC 2018).The NMC advises that a practice supervisor must have current knowledge and experience of the areas in which they are providing support and supervision. They do not have to have the same regulatory body, and they will provide the majority of the supervision in practice. A practice assessor differs in that they must have a relevant qualification and will be the professional who assesses the student has achieved the competencies set in the course whether that be undergraduate nursing or a post qualifying course such as prescribing or district nursing.
Amongst this transition we have also seen the introduction of the apprenticeship model which will also shape how practice placements are supervised and assessed and so we find ourselves in changing times. This twitter chat hopes to explore supervision and learning in practice in post qualifying courses.
- What is the current model for supervision and assessment of SPQ DN students within your clinical area when in practice?
- Are there any challenges within this model?
- What are the benefits to this existing model?
- How will the new standards for supervision and assessment be implemented in your area for DNs?
- Who will be the future practice supervisors and what preparation will they need?
- Who will be the future practice assessors and what preparation will they need?
- What will the relationship be between the practice supervisor, practice assessor and the academic assessor?
- Will any adaptions need to be made for the apprenticeship model?
NURSINGAND MIDWIFERY COUNCIL (NMC), 2004. Standards of Proficiency for Specialist Community Public Health Nurses. London: NMC.
NURSINGAND MIDWIFERY COUNCIL (NMC), 2008. Standards of learning and assessment in practice. London: NMC.
NURSINGAND MIDWIFERY COUNCIL (NMC), 2018. Part 2:Standards for student supervision and assessment. London: NMC.
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#WeDNs transcript
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:00
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#weDNs Good evening everyone - Say hello and don't forget to add the hashtag #weDNs with every reply so everyone can see your comments. We have two guest hosts @RitchieGeorgina and @lkashworth1 https://t.co/dx1EIMNbaZ |
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@Helenakelly73
26 September 2019 20:01
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Good evening from Edinburgh ???? #weDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:01
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Hi from a very wet Aberdeen #weDNs |
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@broadley_lisa
26 September 2019 20:01
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@WeDistrictNurse @RitchieGeorgina @lkashworth1 #weDNs good evening |
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@OokoolaylayLady
26 September 2019 20:02
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@WeDistrictNurse @RitchieGeorgina @lkashworth1 Hello! I’m Amanda, 3rd year student nurse hoping to work community nursing when I qualify and would welcome any tips on how to get into this area as soon as possible!! #weDNs |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:02
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#weDNs looking forward to getting started on tonight's chat! |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:02
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@WeDistrictNurse @RitchieGeorgina Hello everyone, looking forward to this #wedns chat |
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@GabbieParham
26 September 2019 20:02
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Hi from Oxford my DN beauties #weDNs |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:02
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@WeDistrictNurse @RitchieGeorgina @lkashworth1 Evening #WeDNs Looking forward to this chat. |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:03
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#weDNs Here is our first Question https://t.co/UZ86tVyRr9 |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:04
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RT @WeDistrictNurse: #weDNs Here is our first Question https://t.co/UZ86tVyRr9 |
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@heblau
26 September 2019 20:04
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@WeDistrictNurse @RitchieGeorgina @lkashworth1 Hello, I'm Laura, Nursing Lecturer... interested in peoples' thoughts about how the new standards will affect assessment in practice....#weDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:05
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#wedns Have you your transition planned https://twitter.com/heblau/status/1177297975195971584 |
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@heblau
26 September 2019 20:06
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@HeatherBain9 Yes, for pre-reg. Prescribing is another matter! #wedns |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:07
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@WeDistrictNurse #wedns we use practice teacher for DNS and HVs currently and it works well @rgumscanp |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:08
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RT @HeatherBain9: @WeDistrictNurse #wedns we use practice teacher for DNS and HVs currently and it works well @rgumscanp |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:08
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#weDNs , is prescribing that different to pre reg https://twitter.com/heblau/status/1177298528273612805 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:10
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Remember to use #wedns with tweets and replies so that everyone follow the chat |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:10
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Is this an issue in other areas #WeDNs? https://twitter.com/GabbieParham/status/1177298927445598210 |
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@broadley_lisa
26 September 2019 20:10
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@HeatherBain9 @WeDistrictNurse @rgumscanp #weDns yes, we have a similar format at University of Central Lancashire |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:11
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RT @broadley_lisa: @HeatherBain9 @WeDistrictNurse @rgumscanp #weDns yes, we have a similar format at University of Central Lancashire |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:11
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@GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs do you foresee 'cross supervision' as an option? in terms of V300/100/150? |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:12
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#wedns Gabbie I’m not sure what you mean, how will quality be reduced ? https://twitter.com/wedistrictnurse/status/1177299456783540225 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:12
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs do you foresee 'cross supervision' as an option? in terms of V300/100/150? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:12
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns Gabbie I’m not sure what you mean, how will quality be reduced ? https://twitter.com/wedistrictnurse/status/1177299456783540225 |
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@jenrkn
26 September 2019 20:13
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@WeDistrictNurse CPTs via ‘long arm approach’ for DNs with experienced band 6 mentor #weDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:13
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Q2 #weDNs https://t.co/27XHawCFMW |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:14
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RT @WeDistrictNurse: Q2 #weDNs https://t.co/27XHawCFMW |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:14
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@jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs do you see this as a positive or a challenge Jennifer? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:14
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RT @jenrkn: @WeDistrictNurse CPTs via ‘long arm approach’ for DNs with experienced band 6 mentor #weDNs |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:14
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@GabbieParham @heblau @WeDistrictNurse @RitchieGeorgina It is seen as the gold standard in some Trusts who only use Practice Teachers but not in others. Interested in the quality aspect #weDNs |
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@heblau
26 September 2019 20:15
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@RitchieGeorgina @GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse Possible. I think a challenge will be understanding in practice of the different roles - DMPs are generally well understood now but it took time #WeDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:15
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs do you see this as a positive or a challenge Jennifer? |
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@ljormandy
26 September 2019 20:16
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@broadley_lisa @WeDistrictNurse @RitchieGeorgina @lkashworth1 #weDNs Hi ?? |
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@Helenakelly73
26 September 2019 20:17
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@jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse #wedns this model works well, we call the band 6 DNS facilitators who work closely with the student daily and the practice teacher keeps in close contact, forming a tripartite agreement |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:17
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@ljormandy @broadley_lisa @RitchieGeorgina @lkashworth1 Hi Lianne #WeDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:18
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#wedns we will not be going down that line. Our DNS are now at masters level and address the facilitation of learning pillar within their education programme, going forward will still have further preparation https://twitter.com/gabbieparham/status/1177300326715658241 |
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@jenrkn
26 September 2019 20:18
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@RitchieGeorgina @WeDistrictNurse Both! Positive that the role of the CPT is still valued as the expert in assessment and also challenging having multiple students, particularly if any problems encountered #wedns |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:19
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@GabbieParham @heblau @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs but i'm presuming a V300 can oversee V100 students? im assuming this is a trust policy? |
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@broadley_lisa
26 September 2019 20:19
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@heblau @RitchieGeorgina @GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse #WeDns do you have an action plan for this period of uncertainty and to establish the different roles ? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:19
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#wedns what do others think? https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177301631517515777 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:20
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Q3, what are the benefits of present model #weDNs https://t.co/TfT8FcaXcM |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:20
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@jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse This model might fit with new @nmcnews student assessment i.e. Practice Assessor & Academic Assessor #WeDNs |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:21
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDNs or is safe prescribing safe prescribing regardless of how much of the BNF is ope to us as practitioners? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:21
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RT @Helenakelly73: @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse #wedns this model works well, we call the band 6 DNS facilitators who work closely with the stu… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:21
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RT @broadley_lisa: @heblau @RitchieGeorgina @GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse #WeDns do you have an action plan for this period of uncertainty… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:22
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @GabbieParham @heblau @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs but i'm presuming a V300 can oversee V100 students? im assuming this is… |
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@jenrkn
26 September 2019 20:22
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@AFTaylorDN @WeDistrictNurse @nmcnews Yes I agree ‘long arm approach ‘ would fit for new asssessment standards #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:22
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RT @jenrkn: @AFTaylorDN @WeDistrictNurse @nmcnews Yes I agree ‘long arm approach ‘ would fit for new asssessment standards #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:23
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs or is safe prescribing safe prescribing regardless of how much of the BNF is ope to us as prac… |
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@broadley_lisa
26 September 2019 20:23
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@AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse @nmcnews #WeDns Yes, the standard highlights that there should be partnership working with the practice assessor and academic assessor regarding student progression |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:23
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@WeDistrictNurse There has been the mention of quality and the worry of loss of quality when the CPT role no longer exists. What is the consensus around this? #weDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:23
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RT @broadley_lisa: @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse @nmcnews #WeDns Yes, the standard highlights that there should be partnership worki… |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:24
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDNs i regularly see the difference in student experience with those who have a qualified practice teacher - does anyone else? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:24
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs i regularly see the difference in student experience with those who have a qualified practice… |
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@Helenakelly73
26 September 2019 20:24
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@AFTaylorDN @WeDistrictNurse @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns when planning for transition to the new standards our plan is that the DN facilitator will be the practice supervisor and the practice teacher the practice assessor Anne, a member of the programme team will be the academic assessor |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:24
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#wedns being able to practice safely yourself does not make you a good supervisor or assessor https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177302161182601221 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:24
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RT @Helenakelly73: @AFTaylorDN @WeDistrictNurse @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns when planning for transition to the new standards our plan is that… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:24
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#wedns https://twitter.com/broadley_lisa/status/1177302864303206406 |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:25
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@broadley_lisa @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse @nmcnews Absolutely #WeDNs |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:25
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RT @Helenakelly73: @AFTaylorDN @WeDistrictNurse @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns when planning for transition to the new standards our plan is that… |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:25
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@HeatherBain9 #weDNs controversial @HeatherBain9 some amazing clinicians who do not enjoy teaching - should it be a compulsory element of all RN roles? |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:26
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#wedns the equivalent can still exist , it is for us to decide locally. My research found the role of the PT was essential to development https://twitter.com/lkashworth1/status/1177302678952697857 |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:27
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@Helenakelly73 @AFTaylorDN @WeDistrictNurse @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs will add a layer of quality to the process and provide peer support to all |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:27
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@Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews How do you think this will be affected when we get to the stage when qualified Practice Teachers have left or retired; if we are no longer training Practice Teachers as a requirement? #weDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:28
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#weDNs https://t.co/orC4qaaNee |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:28
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@lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs i believe this will be an issue in terms of work force experience and needs to be factored into future workforce planning |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:29
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@RitchieGeorgina #wedns all have a role in the facilitation of learning but not all need to be assessors.. |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:29
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs i believe this will be an issue in te… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:30
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#weDNs https://t.co/C2vjD2sY6O |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:30
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RT @WeDistrictNurse: #weDNs https://t.co/orC4qaaNee |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:31
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDNs 'training' for this type of role appears to be varied .... |
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@Helenakelly73
26 September 2019 20:31
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@lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns practice assessors whether they transition from practice teacher or new to the role still require appropriate preparation, we need to nurture and encourage people to take on this important role |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:31
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDNs also i am seeing many 'clinical educator' roles being introduced into NHS trusts - I am not sure how they will fit in - any ideas anyone? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:32
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs 'training' for this type of role appears to be varied .... |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:32
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#wedns what do others think? https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177304059046453249 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:32
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RT @Helenakelly73: @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns practice assessors whether they transition from practi… |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:32
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#wedns But we are preparing DN practice assessors going forward . They will have to have a PgDip as minimum plus teaching prep https://twitter.com/lkashworth1/status/1177303758004543490 |
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@MarielyonsBrown
26 September 2019 20:33
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RT @Helenakelly73: @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns practice assessors whether they transition from practi… |
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@jenrkn
26 September 2019 20:33
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@Helenakelly73 @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews Agree the role of the practice assessor is vital and not one that can be successfully carried out without additional training/education #wedns |
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@emmaloufrain
26 September 2019 20:33
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs also i am seeing many 'clinical educator' roles being introduced into NHS trusts - I am not su… |
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@Helenakelly73
26 September 2019 20:33
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@GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns academic assessors have nurse teacher or pgcert, they will be the from the university programme team, we can continue to support and develop the new practice assessor role |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:33
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs also i am seeing many 'clinical educator' roles being introduced into NHS trusts - I am not su… |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:34
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@GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @jenrkn @nmcnews @OpenUniversity Practice Tutors are being supported/developed to take on academic Assessor role for undergrad RNs #WeDNs Some of us also happen to be SPQ DNs ?? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:34
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RT @Helenakelly73: @GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns academic assessors have nurse teacher or… |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:34
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@Helenakelly73 @GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs as an educator i am unsure exactly what this 'looks like' in terms of link with clinical practice - will it be similar to previous model? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:35
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @Helenakelly73 @GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs as an educator i am uns… |
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@Helenakelly73
26 September 2019 20:35
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@RitchieGeorgina @GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns I would say so, not hugely different George |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:35
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#wedns then you can argue some DN programmes are not yet at masters level unlike Scotland where we have some consistency @FionaCMcQueen https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177304588032065536 |
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@emmaloufrain
26 September 2019 20:36
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RT @Helenakelly73: @AFTaylorDN @WeDistrictNurse @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns when planning for transition to the new standards our plan is that… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:36
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RT @Helenakelly73: @RitchieGeorgina @GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns I would say so, not hug… |
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@broadley_lisa
26 September 2019 20:36
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDns will the use of forums be considered useful in the implementation of the new standards in order that supervisors feel supported |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:36
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Next question which I think some have referred to already #weDNs https://t.co/92Py3j4Fo1 |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:37
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@jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs it looks to me as though the landscape of our profession is changing as well as demonstrating the value of the SPQ qualification (VITAL) do we need more research to show us the quality of the PT role? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:37
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs it looks to me as though t… |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:38
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@jenrkn @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews Does there need to be a national standard set for post registration SPQ practice assessors #weDNs surely this has to be seen as different to pre registration given the difference in job roles? Thoughts? |
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@StaceyBatty2
26 September 2019 20:38
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@lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse I agree, in my experience the practice teacher facilitates a deeper quality of learning, bridging the practice theory gap #WeDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:38
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#WeDNs that will be the same @rgumscanp and adds to the triangulation of assessment in practice https://twitter.com/helenakelly73/status/1177305231157354496 |
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@jenrkn
26 September 2019 20:39
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@WeDistrictNurse Tripartite agreements similar to the ones used at GCU for post reg SPQ #wedns |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:40
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RT @jenrkn: @WeDistrictNurse Tripartite agreements similar to the ones used at GCU for post reg SPQ #wedns |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:42
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#wedns In Scotland there is a national framework but it is more woolly postregistration. The AEIs work in collaboration to maintain quality and consistency with support of @NESnmahp https://twitter.com/lkashworth1/status/1177306443860664320 |
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@MarielyonsBrown
26 September 2019 20:42
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@RitchieGeorgina @WeDistrictNurse @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #WeDns I wonder if there is awareness of the level of education and preparation required to achieve the practice teacher qualification |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:42
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RT @MarielyonsBrown: @RitchieGeorgina @WeDistrictNurse @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #WeDns I wonder… |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:42
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@GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs i do have some concerns about the support those working in roles such as this get, at least in a HEI model we have peer support, external examiners etc |
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@Helenakelly73
26 September 2019 20:42
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@lkashworth1 @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #wedns in Scotland NHS Nurse education Scotland has produced a standardised guidance document which clearly differentiates the roles and preparation requirements |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:43
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs i do have some concerns about the support those working in roles such as this ge… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:43
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RT @Helenakelly73: @lkashworth1 @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #wedns in Scotland NHS Nurse education Scotland has produced… |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:43
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#wedns I strongly believe it needs to be at Masters level to support the complexity of supporting learners in community nursing https://twitter.com/marielyonsbrown/status/1177307418155528194 |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:43
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@MarielyonsBrown @WeDistrictNurse @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs i would say not, many i have met believe it is a level 7 mentorship course but actually it is quite different isn't it? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:44
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @MarielyonsBrown @WeDistrictNurse @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs i would s… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:45
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#weDNs https://t.co/Cb6WUivhib |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:45
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RT @Helenakelly73: @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns practice assessors whether they transition from practi… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:45
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An important question for those outside Scotland where this does not apply #weDNs https://t.co/9rASfUL6SB |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:46
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RT @Helenakelly73: @GabbieParham @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #wedns academic assessors have nurse teacher or… |
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@broadley_lisa
26 September 2019 20:46
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@MarielyonsBrown @RitchieGeorgina @WeDistrictNurse @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #weDNs I am not sure if there is a full understanding of the level of preparation required by those new to the role |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:46
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RT @MarielyonsBrown: @RitchieGeorgina @WeDistrictNurse @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @AFTaylorDN @jenrkn @nmcnews #WeDns I wonder… |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:46
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RT @Helenakelly73: @lkashworth1 @jenrkn @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #wedns in Scotland NHS Nurse education Scotland has produced… |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:46
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@HeatherBain9 #WeDNs and if we move to level 7 apprenticeships (england) then PT will provide equivalent level of education to the DN student. |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:47
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@GabbieParham @MarielyonsBrown @RitchieGeorgina @WeDistrictNurse @jaynedn64 @lkashworth1 @Helenakelly73 @jenrkn @nmcnews @CNOEngland @MRadford_DONi Agree; can feel a gear change with current #teamCNO #WeDNs |
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@broadley_lisa
26 September 2019 20:48
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDns with the length of the apprenticeship course this could be a concern |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:48
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@WeDistrictNurse #weDNs yes - if we are looking at a 2 year programme and a mixture of first and second year students practice supervision and assessment will become increasingly complex |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:48
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RT @WeDistrictNurse: An important question for those outside Scotland where this does not apply #weDNs https://t.co/9rASfUL6SB |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:48
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#wedns https://twitter.com/gabbieparham/status/1177308969213341696 |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:49
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@RitchieGeorgina @WeDistrictNurse Would this depend on the level of training/education the practice educator comes with? Many may be with the old mentor qualification? Should this allow them to teach skills to groups in practice as opposed to mentor/support individual students? #weDNs |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:49
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#wedns Do you not think the relationship with PS, PA and AA will strengthen assessment. https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177307561621676033 |
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@MarielyonsBrown
26 September 2019 20:49
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@lkashworth1 @jenrkn @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #WeDns at a recent practice teacher update there was suggestion that the NMC have indicated that there may be some review to the standards in terms of refinement to meet the more unique needs of postregistration assessment |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:50
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@lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs i firmly believe that the 'mentor' qualification is appropriate for teaching small groups or 1;2;1 in clinical practice but i am not sure it prepares you to teach in a class room with multiple learning styles, disabilities etc - what does everyone else think? |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:51
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RT @MarielyonsBrown: @lkashworth1 @jenrkn @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #WeDns at a recent practice teacher update t… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:51
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs i firmly believe that the 'mentor' qualification is appropriate for teaching smal… |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:51
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#wedns @rgumscanp has delivered a part time two year programme for years. It is no more complex and supports consolidation https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177308989677285377 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:51
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs yes - if we are looking at a 2 year programme and a mixture of first and second year students… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:52
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#wedns https://twitter.com/gabbieparham/status/1177309733872685056 |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:52
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns I strongly believe it needs to be at Masters level to support the complexity of supporting learners in community n… |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:52
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@GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse @OpenUniversity has long history of apprentice degrees which may give insight to post grad SPQ apprenticeship models. Worth talking #WeDNs |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:52
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@HeatherBain9 @rgumscanp #weDNs its new to us in the North West but we are up for the challenge :) |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:52
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#wedns can this not be addressed by a masters level teaching module https://twitter.com/lkashworth1/status/1177309129540591617 |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:53
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#wedns agree with you, it is a different ‘beast’ https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177309610354651142 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:55
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#weDNs We have five minutes to go any last minute comments? |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:55
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@GabbieParham @WeDistrictNurse @broadley_lisa If you had students in year one and year 2, could this be safely managed with the number of practice teachers currently if this is the option most are choosing to align to practice assessors? #weDNs |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:55
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@HeatherBain9 I was looking for DNSPQ at Masters level in 1990's but didn't exist; it is logical step from BSc RN #WeDNs as well as reflecting complexity of DN work. |
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@AFTaylorDN
26 September 2019 20:56
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RT @MarielyonsBrown: @lkashworth1 @jenrkn @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #WeDns at a recent practice teacher update t… |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:56
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RT @WeDistrictNurse: #weDNs We have five minutes to go any last minute comments? |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:56
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@StaceyBatty2 @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs also often PTs have a more strategic oversight of the profession and support SPQ students to see practice through a new lens. |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:56
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#wedns https://twitter.com/gabbieparham/status/1177310756796321792 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:56
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns agree with you, it is a different ‘beast’ https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177309610354651142 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:57
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns can this not be addressed by a masters level teaching module https://twitter.com/lkashworth1/status/1177309129540591617 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:57
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns @rgumscanp has delivered a part time two year programme for years. It is no more complex and supports consolidatio… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:57
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns Do you not think the relationship with PS, PA and AA will strengthen assessment. https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177307561621676033 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:57
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns I strongly believe it needs to be at Masters level to support the complexity of supporting learners in community n… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:57
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns In Scotland there is a national framework but it is more woolly postregistration. The AEIs work in collaboration t… |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:57
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@AFTaylorDN @HeatherBain9 but will they want to be employed at band 6 at the end or will we face workforce retention issues? #WeDNs |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:57
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RT @HeatherBain9: #WeDNs that will be the same @rgumscanp and adds to the triangulation of assessment in practice https://twitter.com/helenakelly73/status/1177305231157354496 |
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@lkashworth1
26 September 2019 20:57
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @StaceyBatty2 @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs also often PTs have a more strategic oversight of the profession an… |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:58
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#wedns you will find once in place numbers are to meet demands of workforce so it will end up the same . The practice is still 50% of the approved programme but its PT https://twitter.com/lkashworth1/status/1177310809283862529 |
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@RitchieGeorgina
26 September 2019 20:58
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@GabbieParham @MarielyonsBrown @lkashworth1 @jenrkn @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #weDNs this is very worrying isn't it |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:58
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @StaceyBatty2 @lkashworth1 @WeDistrictNurse #weDNs also often PTs have a more strategic oversight of the profession an… |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:59
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#weDNs Thanks to all who joined us - we enjoyed the conversation. Please let us know what you would like in future chats. |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:59
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RT @RitchieGeorgina: @GabbieParham @MarielyonsBrown @lkashworth1 @jenrkn @Helenakelly73 @WeDistrictNurse @AFTaylorDN @nmcnews #weDNs this i… |
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@HeatherBain9
26 September 2019 20:59
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#wedns This needs addressed as priority. They deserve band 7 with MSc , perhaps band 6 with pgcert https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177311238436655104 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 20:59
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wedns This needs addressed as priority. They deserve band 7 with MSc , perhaps band 6 with pgcert https://twitter.com/ritchiegeorgina/status/1177311238436655104 |
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@WeCommNurses
26 September 2019 21:00
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#weDNs Lets give a big round of applause for our guest hosts and our chat co-ordinators @RitchieGeorgina @lkashworth1 @HeatherBain9 @Helenakelly73 |
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